Awkwardo
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- Posted: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:41:10 +0000
Alright guys. I decided to PM Noraboo personally. Here's my response.
You don't have anything to worry about with vending or exchanging. ^^ Since you would be swapping items for gold and vice versa, all the trades would be fair and mutal on both sides. Even if you traded with someone who was botting, you wouldn't get in trouble because they'd be using the botted gold in a legitimate exchange (they'd still be in trouble though XD). Works the same in both the vend and regular trades, since no normal transactions could be considered profiting in anyway.
I proceeded with a follow-up question.
Wheeee.
Yay!
That totally makes me feel so much better. I have another scenario here, since I actually have another mule that I do some vending with.
So if something I sold on my mule was bought with botted gold, and then I moved my vending profits for the day on my mule to my main, would I be in trouble then? I hope the question is clear. sweatdrop
Question makes perfect sense, and you'd be fine if you did that. ^_^
Excellent excellent excellent.
I honestly can't tell you how much this helped me out. I was on the verge of quitting vending altogether for awhile since I feared losing my two years of progress on this account. Thank you so very much.
heart
No problem. Please pass this info on to other users if you have the chance. Unfortunately there's a lot of rumor and fear spreading in Q&A and SF, most of it false, but it spreads fast and scares people. sad
I hope that clears everything up. I tried my best to make it as easy to read as possible. Vending and exchanging and all of that is safe. heart
(From what I understand, some people have their doubts about the authenticity of this conversation. My actual PMs from Noraboo have since been overcome by all the PMs from the vend, but I did have one in my sentbox, and so I took a picture of it and so here you go:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/kardon/norabooconvo.jpg )
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ADDED. - 7/20/06 11:37 PM EST.
Here is some more information on the situation, courtesy of another user. Muchos gracias to them.
*gives example similar to one someone else gave*
Player A bots gold and buys an item from player B. Player B donates to charity C. Charity C gives gold to players D, E, F, G, and H.
Players A through H are banned, no questions asked.
That's unfair to the max.
If that was how it happened it would be unfair. However it isn't.
I've posted this on so many threads .. possibly this one too a few pages back but:
If everyone who got ahold of botted gold or hacked gold was banned the Exchange whores would cease to exist because with that high traffic of buying and selling they'd inevitably acquire hacked or stolen items sooner or later.
To get banned for botting or glitch exploit means that you were not just selling and buying things normally. It means that there is some pretty specific evidence that points towards you being guilty, not just an innocent bystander who got in the way.
We're not perfect. But we're not nearly so flawed as to ban hundreds upon hundreds of users without some compelling evidence. It's possible that innocents did get mixed into this, and if that's the case the feedback forms are available to them, as they have always, always been. If they can prove that they're innocent they'll get unbanned.
It sucks that they had to get banned but .. it's temporary, it's fixable, and they are in the very small minority in being innocent.
Warning would do absolutely nothing. Gold would flow and the more botted, falsely acquired gold gets out, the more damage it does. Think about it for a second: a million in botted gold is that much more going into the economy and upping prices. Still wonder why the donation letters are up to twelve thousand gold?
Those bans were looked into and made as fair as possible after careful review. Suspending accounts for a little while via ban or via freezing trading and the rest of it, then coming up with the exact same conclusion would mostly just upset users and put them in awful suspense while they waited for the permaban that would be coming to come down on their accounts.
[/$.02]
Buying and selling normally isn't going to get you banned, regardless of whether someone buys something from you with hacked gold.
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JUST ADDED. - 7/24/06 9:17 PM EST.
Found this thread in SF. It has some good information in it. Sorry I haven't been able to respond to this thread in a few days guys. sweatdrop
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15850917
Also, I thought it might be worth linking to Jakobo's Journal, which seems to be an excellent source on the going-ons:
]http://www.gaiaonline.com/journal/?mode=view&p=4384205
Noraboo
Awkwardo
Sorry to bother you about this, but all this news about banning for proffiting from botte gold is really, really worrying me. From what I understand, if you get a direct trade with botted gold in it, you're pretty much a goner. But is it the same in the marketplace?
You see, I'm a huge vend whore, but now I'm very worried about even using the vend since I'm afraid of getting botted gold from someone for an item I'm selling. If that were to happen, would I still be safe? I mean, I know little to nothing of my buyers and it wouldn't be possible for me to either, so I wouldn't imagine it would be fair if anything happened. But does this scenario work the same way in the vend as it does with trades?
Or better yet, am I at all safe vending in the first place?
Many many thanks. heart
You see, I'm a huge vend whore, but now I'm very worried about even using the vend since I'm afraid of getting botted gold from someone for an item I'm selling. If that were to happen, would I still be safe? I mean, I know little to nothing of my buyers and it wouldn't be possible for me to either, so I wouldn't imagine it would be fair if anything happened. But does this scenario work the same way in the vend as it does with trades?
Or better yet, am I at all safe vending in the first place?
Many many thanks. heart
You don't have anything to worry about with vending or exchanging. ^^ Since you would be swapping items for gold and vice versa, all the trades would be fair and mutal on both sides. Even if you traded with someone who was botting, you wouldn't get in trouble because they'd be using the botted gold in a legitimate exchange (they'd still be in trouble though XD). Works the same in both the vend and regular trades, since no normal transactions could be considered profiting in anyway.
I proceeded with a follow-up question.
Noraboo
Awkwardo
Noraboo
Awkwardo
Noraboo
You don't have anything to worry about with vending or exchanging. ^^ Since you would be swapping items for gold and vice versa, all the trades would be fair and mutal on both sides. Even if you traded with someone who was botting, you wouldn't get in trouble because they'd be using the botted gold in a legitimate exchange (they'd still be in trouble though XD). Works the same in both the vend and regular trades, since no normal transactions could be considered profiting in anyway.
Wheeee.
Yay!
That totally makes me feel so much better. I have another scenario here, since I actually have another mule that I do some vending with.
So if something I sold on my mule was bought with botted gold, and then I moved my vending profits for the day on my mule to my main, would I be in trouble then? I hope the question is clear. sweatdrop
Question makes perfect sense, and you'd be fine if you did that. ^_^
Excellent excellent excellent.
I honestly can't tell you how much this helped me out. I was on the verge of quitting vending altogether for awhile since I feared losing my two years of progress on this account. Thank you so very much.
heart
No problem. Please pass this info on to other users if you have the chance. Unfortunately there's a lot of rumor and fear spreading in Q&A and SF, most of it false, but it spreads fast and scares people. sad
I hope that clears everything up. I tried my best to make it as easy to read as possible. Vending and exchanging and all of that is safe. heart
(From what I understand, some people have their doubts about the authenticity of this conversation. My actual PMs from Noraboo have since been overcome by all the PMs from the vend, but I did have one in my sentbox, and so I took a picture of it and so here you go:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/kardon/norabooconvo.jpg )
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ADDED. - 7/20/06 11:37 PM EST.
Here is some more information on the situation, courtesy of another user. Muchos gracias to them.
terradi
murdererdelacroix
*gives example similar to one someone else gave*
Player A bots gold and buys an item from player B. Player B donates to charity C. Charity C gives gold to players D, E, F, G, and H.
Players A through H are banned, no questions asked.
That's unfair to the max.
If that was how it happened it would be unfair. However it isn't.
I've posted this on so many threads .. possibly this one too a few pages back but:
If everyone who got ahold of botted gold or hacked gold was banned the Exchange whores would cease to exist because with that high traffic of buying and selling they'd inevitably acquire hacked or stolen items sooner or later.
To get banned for botting or glitch exploit means that you were not just selling and buying things normally. It means that there is some pretty specific evidence that points towards you being guilty, not just an innocent bystander who got in the way.
We're not perfect. But we're not nearly so flawed as to ban hundreds upon hundreds of users without some compelling evidence. It's possible that innocents did get mixed into this, and if that's the case the feedback forms are available to them, as they have always, always been. If they can prove that they're innocent they'll get unbanned.
It sucks that they had to get banned but .. it's temporary, it's fixable, and they are in the very small minority in being innocent.
Warning would do absolutely nothing. Gold would flow and the more botted, falsely acquired gold gets out, the more damage it does. Think about it for a second: a million in botted gold is that much more going into the economy and upping prices. Still wonder why the donation letters are up to twelve thousand gold?
Those bans were looked into and made as fair as possible after careful review. Suspending accounts for a little while via ban or via freezing trading and the rest of it, then coming up with the exact same conclusion would mostly just upset users and put them in awful suspense while they waited for the permaban that would be coming to come down on their accounts.
[/$.02]
terradi
Our_Organic_Chemical
@w@
Okay. I'm really paranoid now.
On my other user name, I have a shop and sell more than one item a day regularly. What if I already have some botted gold on that account? All of my most expensive items (asside from the OMG on my head) are on that account.
Okay. I'm really paranoid now.
On my other user name, I have a shop and sell more than one item a day regularly. What if I already have some botted gold on that account? All of my most expensive items (asside from the OMG on my head) are on that account.
Buying and selling normally isn't going to get you banned, regardless of whether someone buys something from you with hacked gold.
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JUST ADDED. - 7/24/06 9:17 PM EST.
Found this thread in SF. It has some good information in it. Sorry I haven't been able to respond to this thread in a few days guys. sweatdrop
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15850917
Also, I thought it might be worth linking to Jakobo's Journal, which seems to be an excellent source on the going-ons:
]http://www.gaiaonline.com/journal/?mode=view&p=4384205
