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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:05 pm
a Civillisation?
(sorry , but it didn't fit on anymore crying )
I sure think it is essential.
If there is an starter civillisation then they don't function good enough to create a better civillisation.
I want to hear YOU opinion about this.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:10 pm
You don't need a supernatural authority to create a civilisation. If all citizens are reasonable a social contract enforced by a ruling, human authority can function just as well, maybe even better.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:18 pm
Aethan Romn You don't need a supernatural authority to create a civilisation. If all citizens are reasonable a social contract enforced by a ruling, human authority can function just as well, maybe even better. I don't say they need it I just say they function better with something to believe in. If they are scared to go to Hell then they are going to listen to the prophet they created and are going to bleieve he talks for god. Example: If the prophet says that if they don't attack and destroy all Romans They are going to suffer in eternaty then they sure as hell are going to attack the Romans
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:29 pm
First you have to define what's "better". Those kind of things are subjective.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:39 pm
Roma Noir First you have to define what's "better". Those kind of things are subjective. You are right. I mean the standard stuff like less diseases and a a chance to have an higher age
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:46 pm
Pshycho Maniac I don't say they need it I just say they function better with something to believe in. If they are scared to go to Hell then they are going to listen to the prophet they created and are going to bleieve he talks for god. Example: If the prophet says that if they don't attack and destroy all Romans They are going to suffer in eternaty then they sure as hell are going to attack the Romans But it requires a lot more work to keep reasonable people believing that. Now for ignorant and simple people religion is a good method, but with those who are more likely to ask questions, the straightforward answer a social contract provides is more useful. I'm not accusing religion of being for simple and ignorant people by the way.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:57 pm
Aethan Romn Pshycho Maniac I don't say they need it I just say they function better with something to believe in. If they are scared to go to Hell then they are going to listen to the prophet they created and are going to bleieve he talks for god. Example: If the prophet says that if they don't attack and destroy all Romans They are going to suffer in eternaty then they sure as hell are going to attack the Romans But it requires a lot more work to keep reasonable people believing that. Now for ignorant and simple people religion is a good method, but with those who are more likely to ask questions, the straightforward answer a social contract provides is more useful. I'm not accusing religion of being for simple and ignorant people by the way. They just do what they did in ancient times. Everyone who qoustion it is a witch and get burned. Then they are to afraid to say something about it.When they develop to the point where they don't need religion anymore to function properly that stops
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:25 pm
Some people just feel that if there is no higher athority, then the world would be in chaos.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:04 pm
Just substitute 'fear of terror' in for 'fear of God' into all of that and hey, welcome to America!!
And no, I really don't think God is necessary for civilization. Sure, it can help bind people together, but then you'll have a society of retards who believe whatever they're told. Which is great for the government, but not so good for the people.
I'd rather have a very small society made up of people who share a common dream.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:18 pm
It can help people form a common belief system which can unify people in one way, but no I don't think god or 'a god' is essential for a civilization. T
To me it's just a way to cover up ones weaknesses if they cannot find comfort in talking to another but rather to their god/gods, but the bad thing about that is that you don't get the proper advice... you can't hear anything in thin air. >_<; [Which is why I don't understand believing in a higher being along with other reasons, but this isn't about that.]
This can be great for a government to keep a little more 'control of the people as Nappy said. [Perfectly put]
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:41 pm
Ya i think a higher power is needed, at least for some people, otherwise what motivation is there for doing something write (or wrong)
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:43 pm
Well, I do believe in God. So yes, I guess so.
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:08 am
Not at all. The base function of a society (and a civilisation is only an extension and union of smaller societies, be they tribes or villages originally) is protection and mutual benefit (though that doesn't entirely apply to most societies today). Back at the dawn of humankind we realised that it was beneficial to band together and share what we had. This created safety, greater wellbeing, shared knowledge, easier breeding and child raising etc, the list goes on. Plus we're a social species. We invented gods afterwards to explain things we didn't understand and such beliefs further bonded us together and in many cases formed the basis for a heirarchy of some kind which then, ironically, devided us both within our societies (eventually, and that's a big eventually, evolving into class systems and the like) and with other societies who posessed differing beliefs. In terms of morals, most of them were dictated by the societies or by those in charge. Not killing each other is pretty basic, if people went round killing each other it would nullify the whole point of society, same with stealing (once ownership has been created) and so fourth. Sexual promiscuity is more of a cultural thing and it is my theory that in many cases enforced monogomy was a way of dealing with sexually transmitted diseases to begin with. Nevertheless most religious morals were defined by the society rather than the religion, and often altered afterwards (think the Church of England) to suit societal changes. Gods and religion were the result of our natural curiosity and desire to understand our environment, and it was these qualities that led to us becoming what we are today. But gods aren't necessary, they can easily be replaced by almost anything, spirits, aliens, extra dimensional beings, magic, science (though science requires a certain level of sophistication and enlightenment within the society to exist at all and obviously doesn't integrate well into a previously religious society)etc.
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:59 am
I'm not sure. God may be just something to comfort people about when they die, so they're not afraid, like Heaven. For example, some people see no point in life if you're just gonna die and that's it. That's where people question what comes next. God is something that isn't exactly neccessary, but shouldn't be abolished either. I think most people have to have something to believe in, to give them hope.
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