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 Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:48 am
Now then, I want to make something perfectly clear. Very perfectly clear for all the pointless posters that have nothing to contribute to a debate. DO NOT POST YOUR CRAP ABOUT HOW I'M SUCH AN INSENSITIVE JERK OR HOW I'LL GO TO HELL! I probably know more about the religions than you do and know how to go to Hell and how to get out of it, also realize I don't give a s**t what any of you 'lack of intelligence posters' have to say so yes to you I'm an insensitive jerk. And guess what? I don't care what you say otherwise.
Now then, I know I'm usually in the forays of religion, ethics, government, and drug usages. I normally don't go into the science field because I know I'm not good at the subject. However, after investigating this and seeing the lack of debate in it I decided to start one up. Now then many of you will want to know why I question HIV being the cause of AIDS. Well now it started with one video which I will give the link to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3mhjt7TrY
This inspired me to start investigating AIDS itself. Its a sad video and something that started up over two decades ago and single handedly helped spread the virus all over the Third World and Europe. It led me to find very overwhelming evidence against HIV causing AIDS. I will be willing to give you all the information you need as this progresses, however I feel for lack of patience and to not knock down all arguments instantly I will not post up all my findings just yet. However here is a small list of them.
HIV=AIDS=BULLSHIT list.
1. The original discoverer of the virus Dr. Luc Montagnier of France has said that HIV might be benign (harmless), during an AIDS convention.
2. Dr. Robert Gallo the man who patented the HIV-AIDS link failed in his last attempt to prove that retroviruses caused cancer and was facing big lack of funding. The AIDS epidemic was a perfect way to retain funding after his failure against Dr. Duesberg in discovering the cancer causing gene.
3. No doctors speaking against HIV have gotten any major media publishing. Due in part to homosexual backlash against an answer to what was once called the "Gay Man's Disease", and because, very rashly, the U.S. government invested too quickly into the HIV-AIDS link and now need to protect their investment.
4. AZT and other drugs used to treat HIV are actually immune system destroying drugs. HIV-AIDS are immune destroying diseases supposedly, that emerge after a few years of festering in the body. Problem is with that, and it is something that any science student should be asking, why does HIV just go around sitting there attacking slowly and the body doesn't notice, the body realizes when it is being attacked. To say that it doesn't notice HIV defies the basic law of biology? The body does notice HIV, and doctor purposely mislead you about being HIV positive and are therefore going to die, and I'm saving the rest of that for later because it would take a while to explain.
5. The HIV-AIDS theory, skips the basic law of Koch's Postulate under the banner that it is outdated and no longer usable in our time. Now then let me show you Koch's Postulate:
1. The microorganism must be found in all organisms suffering from the disease, but not in healthy organisms. (second part disproven already, in the case of cholera and other diseases.)
2. The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
3. The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
4. The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent.
Now then you look at the postulate and its quite clear that if HIV is the cause of AIDS then naturally it must be in 100 percent of all victims correct? Dr. Gallo only found 90 percent. Based on the first rule of Koch's Postulate it is proven that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. Other diseases that scientists tried to prove to be infectious without following the postulate were; Scurvy, Beri-Beri, Pelegra, and SMON (Japan). All of them proving that Koch's Postulate is not old and useless. Also number three says that the cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced to a healthy organism. It has not in all cases, one of the most famous being the wife and child of Magic Johnson the famous basketball player. This proves twice that it cannot be infectious.
6. HIV needs the T-cell to reproduce so that more HIV can be made. HIV according to scientists kills T-cells. How can it reproduce if it kills that which it infects? Scientific impossibility.
7. HIV has been existent since before the colonies of America. Humans have long since gain an immunity to it and it coexists in some people's bodies for years living inactively with the T-cell. Why all of a sudden would it start attacking in the 80s without evolving?
Basically those are the argument points. As of yet outside of Gaia I've had nobody able to disprove me. Please give me your thoughts on the link between AIDS and HIV. Do you believe it is a fact or myth?
If anyone is interested in the things that I've seen and researched on here is the video which gave me almost all of my information. WARNING! It is educational, it is not fun, it is boring and not for those of impatience.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5064591712431946916&q=does+HIV+cause+AIDS?
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:01 am
You obviously studied hard and found some very good evidence supporting your side of the debate.....I agree with you.....heh, it seemed that you basically just owned this whole debate before it even began....I mean.....there really aren't any points brought up that seem questionable....so yeah, no point in arguing with you....
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:00 pm
Bubblegum Electric You obviously studied hard and found some very good evidence supporting your side of the debate.....I agree with you.....heh, it seemed that you basically just owned this whole debate before it even began....I mean.....there really aren't any points brought up that seem questionable....so yeah, no point in arguing with you.... [[♥]]
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:22 pm
Heh, well there isn't really anything to argue upon.....I mean, unless someone wants to play devils advocate and stuff.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:40 am
post whore, well from what family guy says HIV could be aids "FUUULLL BLOWWWN AIIDS!!!"
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:41 pm
Bubblegum Electric You obviously studied hard and found some very good evidence supporting your side of the debate.....I agree with you.....heh, it seemed that you basically just owned this whole debate before it even began....I mean.....there really aren't any points brought up that seem questionable....so yeah, no point in arguing with you.... [[♥]]
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:33 am
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:55 pm
You know your one of the few people I can seem to respect in a debate, and debating with you always presents me with new and interesting ideas/concepts that I haven't thought of previously, but this is to advanced biology for me to debate about. This is the part of class where I perposely tried to fall asleep. The only thing I was wide awake for was evolution and the animal kingdom stuff. The whole cell division and all that stuff is a big turn off for me. I love science give me some reactants and I'm good to go, but start babling about the 4 stages of cell division and I'm counting ceiling tiles. So I'll say this: I think it's neither, I think it's a fath. 3nodding xd
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:40 pm
I read about half of it and my eyes turned the same color as the text... I think you make a REALLY good arugument... But could you dumb it down and dim the colors for my brain and visions sake?
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:24 pm
Well thank you marshjazz for those kind words. I also equally respect you in a debate and know exactly what you mean when it comes to this. Most of the points I got from the video or research papers. I can't do a single thing in science, say anything past synthesis and you've lost me forever lol.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:29 am
I take issue with point number 6 Quote: 6. HIV needs the T-cell to reproduce so that more HIV can be made. HIV according to scientists kills T-cells. How can it reproduce if it kills that which it infects? Scientific impossibility. That is the basic reproduction process of all viruses. They inject their genetic material into a cell and reprogram it to produce other viruses. Eventually the cell bursts and the new viruses move on to other cells. (bursting kills the cell) Also, with the postulate. A virus cannot be grown in a culture without cells to infect. It is likely that the postulate is only applicable to bacteria, and not to viruses.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:22 am
I`m probably wrong, but can`t most HIV be cured with a vaccine or anti-biotics?
As of right now, we`re told that there is no cure for AIDS.
If AIDS were HIV, it could be cured. Right?
I`m trying to pull up a two day lecture from sex-ed four years ago. I may or may not have my facts straight.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:37 pm
you make a good argument although i believe that it really doesn't matter if open leads to the other because the methods of contracting them are similar and they are both deadly illnesses. If your taking counter measures against 1 then your pretty much doing the same for the other.
BTW here's my attempted Debunk-tion
point #6 -To my under standing there are a lot of viruses that kill the host cell upon their reproduction
point #7- if it is possible to contract HIV today then at least some mutation must exist.
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:17 pm
what do you mean fact or myth. we already no that its real. lots of people ell over the world have it and will get it. why ask a question everybody knos the answere to.
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