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 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:08 am
This is probably something that would've been better to have closer to the beginning of the whole thing... but whatever, it's here now.
Tell us your thoughts on this whole thing.
Got any new info about the goings on? Feel free to share.
This directly affects our show, so lets hope things get resolved sooner rather than later.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:02 am
From what I understand, there's gonna be no resolution to this problem until the WGA stop striking. They're not getting paid at all for striking on the picket lines. I would rather get some work done and resolve the issue by some other means. But meh, I just want a 22 episode season razz
I hope this is all over and done with ASAP. Any news from what's going on higher up the chain of command?
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:05 pm
I'm not sure what's going on with the strike as of right now, I had heard they were in talks, but I'm assuming things fell through.
As I had mentioned in the episode discussion thread, I believe that the writers have a good reason for striking...
WGA Flyer
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:53 am
Seldaara I'm not sure what's going on with the strike as of right now, I had heard they were in talks, but I'm assuming things fell through.
As I had mentioned in the episode discussion thread, I believe that the writers have a good reason for striking...
WGA Flyer
Thank you for the info, I wanted to know a little bit more of the strike, as it affects my favourite show.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:14 am
I guess the counter argument to this whole shenanigan is that you sign a contract to do seasonal work, therefore you accept that there may be dry periods. I'm not sure how the American health system works being a UK citizen, but if healthcare benefits are earned from working x hours a year, then its unlikely that all but the major players will not earn healthcare benefits based on their hours worked. That's also something they agreed to.
I can kind of understand that they would also sign to agree to that level of royalties, which is why I can understand the big media moguls not wanting to pay out at all. So it's gonna be a stalemate really, isn't it?
I don't think the writers will get all their demands, but if they're as willing to return to work as they say they are then let's just hope they agree on a compromise that's fair to all and gets the shows back in production as quickly as possible.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:38 pm
samhogarth I guess the counter argument to this whole shenanigan is that you sign a contract to do seasonal work, therefore you accept that there may be dry periods. I'm not sure how the American health system works being a UK citizen, but if healthcare benefits are earned from working x hours a year, then its unlikely that all but the major players will not earn healthcare benefits based on their hours worked. That's also something they agreed to. I can kind of understand that they would also sign to agree to that level of royalties, which is why I can understand the big media moguls not wanting to pay out at all. So it's gonna be a stalemate really, isn't it? I don't think the writers will get all their demands, but if they're as willing to return to work as they say they are then let's just hope they agree on a compromise that's fair to all and gets the shows back in production as quickly as possible.
Yes, I don't know much about this thing but I really wish the strike would end asap and I could get my SN back with a complete season. And more seasons to come. heart
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:34 am
Contracts are tricky things, but you're definitely right there Samhogarth. They did sign it.
Really, in any strike situation, the two sides rarely agree and the strikees' demands are rarely met. A compromise is the best thing we can hope for. The writers need to be able and ready to accept less than what they want, while at the same time, the bureaucrats (or whatever you want to call them) need to be willing to offer more than what they want.
And American healthcare... oh man, don't even get me started. I'm a Canadian, but I do know a bit about it... it's not unusual for Americans to hop over the border to partake of our care system...
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:05 pm
Seldaara And American healthcare... oh man, don't even get me started. I'm a Canadian, but I do know a bit about it... it's not unusual for Americans to hop over the border to partake of our care system...
And you don't know OUR healtcare system. twisted
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:24 pm
If they don't like what's put up on the table, you don't sign a contract. Have you got any legal justification to sing a loan contract with say, 200% interest and then claim it's unfair? You signed, you accepted to pay that back. The writers signed to an x% share of royalties, little or no healthcare bonuses and seasonal works. Its a case of reading the small print.
I can understand perfectly fine that they want better working conditions, it improves moral and encourages them to make better scripts and work harder, thus earning their production companies more money. Everyone wins - iff (which means if and only if in maths terms - I'm a lazy arse) the content the writers produce is good. If not, and the show is either a heap of crap or has a small fanbase, giving a large percent of the royalties to writers will result in a loss in the production company's profits.
Par example:
We have two shows: Show 1 and show 2. Each show is written by one writer who are on the same contract of 50% royalties. Each show costs $1million to make.
Show 1 is very successful, we have $3 million worth of sales! That means the writer gets $1.5 million of royalties. The production company gets $1.5 million, but minus production gets $1 million profit.
Show 2 is a flop. Whilst it was an excellent concept, it only produces $1000 worth of sales and is cancelled after one season. The writers get $500 royalties, and the producers lose $999,499.
They're not gonna make that mistake again, which is why the writers currently get the royalties they do. Its all economics, and their
g;e is a compromise slightly tipped in favor of the production companies as a sher failsafe.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:16 pm
O_o So much math... sweatdrop
My mind just kinda goes blank when math gets involved. *reads it over again*
Good point.
I don't know the details of their contracts, obviously, so I can't say if they're fair or not, but like you said, one would assume one would understand the rules of the contract before signing.
I hear another major problem that's being discussed is the downloading of shows online. I'm guessing the writers get no royalties from that...
However, I'm not 100% on those details, so I'm not really going to talk too much about them.
What I DO know, is that after the final new episode of Supernatural is aired, Reaper will be taking it's place, temporarily they say. Whether or not Supernatural will be moved to a new timeslot when production starts up again is anyone's guess.
I'm quite concerned about what the CW will do with the show... I'm hoping it won't be a casualty replaced by a subpar groomed replacement. This only comes about in my mind because I've seen more adverts for Gossip Girl and Reaper and even One Tree Hill, than I've seen for Supernatural.
That pisses me off, and I'm even a One Tree Hill fan... (who knew?). When I watch two hours of Supernatural and I see 10 commercials for Gossip Girl...well, we know what show the CW is backing. It's a shame really.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:06 am
I think CW has never promoted Supernatural in a good way. I mean, they have always underestimated the show, just as they underestimate its fans (they think all the SN fans are just between 10 and 20 I guess and obviously not very smart). I think they even underestimate fans in what they would buy or want, and that's why there isn't much SN merchandise or it's designed for younger fans. And I really hate they won't release the official soundtrack. They really don't know what they have.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:44 pm
Exactly.
And the annoying part is, most people that I know that watch the show are actually 20-30 years old. Hell, my mom loves the show and she's in her late 50s.
Most fans of the show seem to be fairly mature, intelligent people, and the CW just isn't doing right by them.
As for the soundtrack, I'm not sure if it works for everyone but my friend actually wrote in to the composer and they ended up sending her the a CD. I haven't tried it yet meself.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:34 pm
Seldaara Exactly.
And the annoying part is, most people that I know that watch the show are actually 20-30 years old. Hell, my mom loves the show and she's in her late 50s.
Most fans of the show seem to be fairly mature, intelligent people, and the CW just isn't doing right by them.
As for the soundtrack, I'm not sure if it works for everyone but my friend actually wrote in to the composer and they ended up sending her the a CD. I haven't tried it yet meself.
I'm sorry but I didn't get the part with the soundtrack.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:29 am
Can you not ask the CW press office why they choose not to air that many commercials for Supernatural? However, it is more than likely that it will be renewed for a fourth season as its viewing ratings are consistent (aka it is not losing viewers), and there's enough people online to campaign to keep it going.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:36 am
samhogarth Can you not ask the CW press office why they choose not to air that many commercials for Supernatural? However, it is more than likely that it will be renewed for a fourth season as its viewing ratings are consistent (aka it is not losing viewers), and there's enough people online to campaign to keep it going.
Well, to be honest, because of the strike and all, they're a bit 'forced' to renew already going shows if they want to have anything to air at all. twisted
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