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 Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:48 pm
Continue the discussion from the poll.
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:52 am
Slightly sad how no one has posted while there are three votes in the poll.
Well, i do not believe that we should restrict who marries and who doesn't. It just is not fair. If the people love each other, etc, then who are we to restrict them?? People, we, the people of the USA, are not ruled by dictators. No, we are a democracy, a democracy of which is run by an idiot, but a democracy none the less. And then the, pardon my speech, Bible thumpers come in and say "Oh, its against the Bible!!". They obviously don't understand the meaning of "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" c'mon, people, stop being idiotic scumbags and let the people marry.
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Shale Darksnow Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:56 am
OK...
So I respect the people that are gay as people and I respect their rights in the US government, and it might be wrong to deny them their rights, I don't really know I'm not God or anyone of any wisdom.
But I don't respect their choice. It's just... Gah.
I wouldn't hurt them or ridicule them like some psycos, but I just don't get it or particually agree with it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:24 pm
I think gay people should be allowed to marry, and it has nothing to do with seperation of church and state or religious convictions. I just feel that people have a right to make their own choices. If for some reason two people of the same sex wish to take the same vows that two people of the opposite sex can take, I see no reason not to allow it. Oh and Meryl not respecting people's rights to choose their sexuality is pretty much the same as telling people that when they go to Starbucks the only thing they can have is a straight black coffee. That ought to get some discussion going, eh?
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Shale Darksnow Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:30 pm
Okay, i have to disagree with you both.
It has everything to do with sep of Church and State, and Religion. What runs our country? What was it founded on? Religion. Speaking of which, i may start a thread here...
But back to the topic. Religion has a habit of segregating and destroying people. It does. Thanks to our Constitution, fat religious nuts are saying that "the Constitution says what marriage is" and other crap.
Oh, and i highly doubt that people can just choose their orientation. I think its genetic. But everything is genetic to me, so i guess i shouldn't rationalize, no?
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:34 pm
Well Shale, until scientists can isolate a gene or gene chain that causes homosexuality, I'm going to have to say it's choice.
But on religion. I agree it can segregate and destroy, look at the situation in the Middle East. And I'm certainly not saying that seperation of church and state should be done away with. But I'm saying that my opinion is not based on that religious views should be kept out of the government, not that religious views shoudl be allowed in the government. You follow me, Shale?
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Shale Darksnow Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:38 pm
That is what i am trying to say. Our gov is a rich person's dream, and a poor person's nightmare. Rant for another time.
But our gov is strongly influenced by religion, and religion says no to gay marriage.
Oh, and there are many theories out there that support the gene. Besides, if you were ridiculed, would you want the ridicule to stop??
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:38 pm
Shale Darksnow Slightly sad how no one has posted while there are three votes in the poll.
a democracy of which is run by an idiot, but a democracy none the less. that's why my teenage brain has made second plans if my current ones don't go well, to become dictator of the u.s. .-., it may seem crazy but that's how half of my brain thinks, nothing but evil thoughts, the other half just seals it in, anyways, this is off topic but i just wanna become dictator of this idiot ran country to clean up what mess the so called leaders of our generation have made so far, and marriage should be allowed for any combination of the sexes it should just matter if it's straight but if the two are willing to say i do when the father asks them if they agree to hold their binding vow
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:26 pm
Personally, I can't grasp the whole idea of finding any sort of attraction to the same sex, but I don't disrespect or look down on people who do. People are born different, and this society keeps changing and advancing. They are as equal people as everyone else and should have the right to marry. Coming from Ontario which allows it anyway, I believe their is nothing wrong with it. If the love, respect, and bond is their they should be allowed, I mean honestly who wants to break true love, it doesn't come around often.
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:50 pm
(I have finally arrived!)
I don't see a problem in gay marriages. They are human beings just like we are. They do not rant on other people for being gay or lesbian. It's their choice, and they have the right to do that. They never did anything to harm others did they? No. They are people with different views, just like every other citizen.
Sure politics are run by old white guys. Is that a problem. No not really. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Unfortunately, the only opinion that is looked at for suggestions are the old white guys that run our country.
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:12 am
Shale Darksnow Okay, i have to disagree with you both.
It has everything to do with sep of Church and State, and Religion. What runs our country? What was it founded on? Religion. Speaking of which, i may start a thread here...
But back to the topic. Religion has a habit of segregating and destroying people. It does. Thanks to our Constitution, fat religious nuts are saying that "the Constitution says what marriage is" and other crap.
Oh, and i highly doubt that people can just choose their orientation. I think its genetic. But everything is genetic to me, so i guess i shouldn't rationalize, no? Ok this is where I go nuts...The founding fathers had "separation of church and state" right on there, are you saying that the constitution contradicts itself? The founding fathers wanted to make sure that church beliefs was 10 city blocks away from state matters as to not make a theocracy, however much you say it's influenced by religion that doesn't automatically should be considered. The LGBT community is a minority, and about 55% believe that Gay marraige is ok, now if theres 83% saying they are Christian, some christians must believe its ok. Now the other reason i am for it is that some choose to be it, it is at the heart of the liberal sentiment that the minority should always be heard and the majority can't force themselves on the minority...and being Bi myself also does make my argument abit strong yes...but when the rumors started i had CRs continually come up to me in class, in the library, at lunch, class to class, off a RUMOR, so i know exactly what you mean by Bible thumpers and i always tell them that it's none of their buisness(I still havent confirmed it with anyone yet lol)
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:49 am
LightMousy Shale Darksnow Okay, i have to disagree with you both.
It has everything to do with sep of Church and State, and Religion. What runs our country? What was it founded on? Religion. Speaking of which, i may start a thread here...
But back to the topic. Religion has a habit of segregating and destroying people. It does. Thanks to our Constitution, fat religious nuts are saying that "the Constitution says what marriage is" and other crap.
Oh, and i highly doubt that people can just choose their orientation. I think its genetic. But everything is genetic to me, so i guess i shouldn't rationalize, no? Ok this is where I go nuts...The founding fathers had "separation of church and state" right on there, are you saying that the constitution contradicts itself? The founding fathers wanted to make sure that church beliefs was 10 city blocks away from state matters as to not make a theocracy, however much you say it's influenced by religion that doesn't automatically should be considered. The LGBT community is a minority, and about 55% believe that Gay marraige is ok, now if theres 83% saying they are Christian, some christians must believe its ok. Now the other reason i am for it is that some choose to be it, it is at the heart of the liberal sentiment that the minority should always be heard and the majority can't force themselves on the minority...and being Bi myself also does make my argument abit strong yes...but when the rumors started i had CRs continually come up to me in class, in the library, at lunch, class to class, off a RUMOR, so i know exactly what you mean by Bible thumpers and i always tell them that it's none of their buisness(I still havent confirmed it with anyone yet lol) No offense, but isn't it common courtesy to wait until you've been accepted into a guild to post? I never stated or implied that the constitution contradicts itself. Just that some people take it to the word a little too much.
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Shale Darksnow Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:47 pm
If two people of the same sex want to join hands in marriage thats up to them.They should have the right to do that if that is what they want.That's my opinion about it. neutral
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:34 pm
While personally, the idea of two guys boning each other makes me gag a bit, i am vehemently against the government saying who should or should not be able to marry. If you are a guy, and want to marry another guy, or a girl who would like to marry Miss July(which i am all for by the way 3nodding .........Geheh sweatdrop ), then i don't think the government should be able to stop them. And i really have a problem with the hard religious folk saying its an abomination in the eyes of god. Even if i wasn't an Agnostic with a severe distaste for the western religions, let me bring up a theological argument. Now the catholic church (I know I'm singling Christians out, but this is the thing that comes to mind) put tens of thousands of Jews, and Muslims to death during the crusades, and the Inquisition, right? Now they said it was all right in the eyes of god, right? But now they say that what was done in the past was wrong. Well which is it? Is killing Jews wrong or right? They say no. Now, they say being Gay is a sin, as is sodomy. Who says they won't change their mind a few years from now? Of course the honchos have been decidedly mum on the subject. They can't say it wrongs, and gays should be killed, while in the bible it does. The point I'm trying to make is this.
Some of what was in the bible, simply does not apply in today's world.
And that's all I've got to say on that.
You may start flaming.....now.
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