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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:33 pm
Well, as hoped the title has caught your attention
So I've been noticing a reoccuring theme in science fiction. The hero, weather he be captain of a ship or marine cyborg, has a tendency to do the bad thing with the local alien girl like things. Which begs the following questions:
Why would a human be atracted to a blue monster with what may be boobs? ((Not really a better word that'll fit)) If most aliens are lizards and boobs are really mammary glads, and mammary glands only apear on mammals then how do these aliens have boobs? Wouldn't the scales be a turn-off? What happens if she gets pregnant? Wouldn't this technicaly fall under beatiality? Isn't the whole concept repulsive?
Please remember that this is serious, and not just a place for half baked induendos.
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:25 pm
General of Clowns So I've been noticing a reoccuring theme in science fiction. The hero, weather he be captain of a ship or marine cyborg, has a tendency to do the bad thing with the local alien girl like things. actually, it's not really a recurring theme in science fiction - it's a recurring theme in *parodies* of science fiction. even in the classic example of this kind of thing, the original star trek series, the truth is that kirk only got laid a miniscule number of times, and almost all were human (and all *looked* human). you'll find this kind of thing - the hero coming across a new planet, hookin up with some alien chick-thing, and humpin her, is very rare, except in spoofs where it is played for laughs. General of Clowns Why would a human be atracted to a blue monster with what may be boobs? ((Not really a better word that'll fit)) why not? what a person is attracted to is very variable. it doesn't need to be "pretty", or even human. think furries, for example. General of Clowns If most aliens are lizards and boobs are really mammary glads, and mammary glands only apear on mammals then how do these aliens have boobs? you're assuming the terms "mammal" and "lizard" have any meaning to aliens. ^_^; General of Clowns Wouldn't the scales be a turn-off? not necessarily. like i said, what a person is attracted to has no rhyme or reason. General of Clowns What happens if she gets pregnant? if she's really alien, can't happen. even if the plumbing is compatible, doesn't mean anything will come out of it. General of Clowns Wouldn't this technicaly fall under beatiality? not unless you consider the aliens to be animals. obviously if we ever come across intelligent extraterrestrials we will have to change our language a bit. right now we have two words: human for human animals, and animals for every non-human animal. that works fine for now because whenever we want to talk about intelligent beings or "people", they're all human, and anything non-human is not self-aware or a "person". when we come across intelligent extraterrestrial, we're going to have "people" that aren't human. so if you want to consider bestiality as "sex with non-humans" then yes, it would be bestiality. but i think that would be kind of insulting. if you want to consider bestiality as "sex with non-people (sex with animals that cannot consent to sex)", then no, it wouldn't be bestiality. but even if you do call it bestiality, all you end up doin is changin the playing field. right now bestiality is bad because animals can't consent to sex. if you call sex with intelligent aliens bestiality, then you'll end up with "good bestiality" and "bad bestiality". General of Clowns Isn't the whole concept repulsive? once upon a time, not too long ago, the thought of a black person having sex with a white person was considered bestiality, and it was considered repulsive. open your mind. as long as both the person and the alien are cool with it, what's the problem?
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:38 pm
I honestly never thought of it that way =/
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:14 am
Those are some interesting points, but I think we should consider our natural instincts, and possible limitations on compatability. On the other hand, sex (if it's possible) is a strong conditioning/reward stimulus, so in that sense attraction doesn't have to make sense.
I just read a book by Poul Anderson that was pretty entertaining all around. There were actually cat girls in it, cat girls with firm breasts. xd And he was attracted to them. But did he have sex with them? No. He had sex with some human lady that came along later. The point being that the author totally set us up and then reversed on our expectations.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:49 pm
Penden Those are some interesting points, but I think we should consider our natural instincts, and possible limitations on compatability. On the other hand, sex (if it's possible) is a strong conditioning/reward stimulus, so in that sense attraction doesn't have to make sense. I just read a book by Poul Anderson that was pretty entertaining all around. There were actually cat girls in it, cat girls with firm breasts. xd And he was attracted to them. But did he have sex with them? No. He had sex with some human lady that came along later. The point being that the author totally set us up and then reversed on our expectations. ....No hostility intended but what was the point of that? To Aenakume: I love you, you stole the words right out of my mouth.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:57 pm
The point is that part of what he's complaining about is that sex-with-the-aliens is a theme/obsession/cliche of science fiction. It's kinda like how the boy and girl always fall in love, except that the girl is an alien. Just like any cliche it's the details put into the work that make it believable or not, like considering natural instincts and physical compatibility.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:50 pm
I dunno. The Human Mind is a scary thing. See some of the absolutely bizarre stuff that comes out of Japan.
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:02 pm
Auren Shiro I dunno. The Human Mind is a scary thing. See some of the absolutely bizarre stuff that comes out of Japan. rofl That just made my day. And that is one of the reasons that I mentioned biological capacity.
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:36 pm
It's true! Take a trip to 4chan. I can't garuntee you'll come back the same though.
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:05 pm
There are many good points going around here, but think about it this way as well. Just because of our social moores, if it doesn't look like us, then it's not a person, even if it IS intelligent. But how would the alien race social moores be like? think about it, our global culture, and I do mean the whole of Humanity's culture, has been built and tweaked over time to what it is currently. What we consider 'normal' might be the expection in some alien culture. So another big factor in wheither it is right or not depends on the cultures of the time.
Who knows, maybe after a couple of generations of contact with an alien speices, interspeices sex will be common. It's all possible, because we CAN NOT prodect the future.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:02 pm
Glein There are many good points going around here, but think about it this way as well. Just because of our social moores, if it doesn't look like us, then it's not a person, even if it IS intelligent. If we ever encounter intelligent extra-terrestrials, that particular social more can't continue to exist. Either we're going to run into ETs that are more advanced than us... and let's see anyone dare to stand up in front of them and say "i don't think you're really intelligent." Or we're going to run into ETs that are less advanced than us, and hopefully realize the historical parallels with the various conquests of less advanced indigenous peoples (like the Spaniards arriving in the Americas) that go along with not calling them intelligent just because they don't look like us. You can't really judge the attitudes of people who have met and have to deal with ETs by comparing them to the backwards luddites of today. Today it's possible to be a jerk and say only humans can be intelligent. Those who have to stare another civilization of non-humans in the face (if they have 'em) can't be so blasé.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:08 pm
Another intresting point What's to say that an alien race could only reproduce with simmilar characteristics ((lets say humanoid and intelegent)), an evolutionary precaution embedded after millenia of inter-species contact with multiple intelegent humanoid species to keep up biological diversity. Then to them, an encounter with us would be a prime oppertunity for economic, political, and sexual diversity.
Assuming sex with non-humans is bestiality, how would this stand?
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:26 pm
well, even if it wasn't considered beastality, think about the nutjobs who will always say 'such and such is superior to all'. In the case we do find and begin mingling with aliens, your gonna have those nuts saying humans should stay 'pure' and only have sex with humans. the KKK is a prime example of a modern day version of it. They feel Aferican American's are no good EXEPT in the placement of slave labor/lower class citizens. then the Nazi's both later and earlier.... it's a never ending cycle. something changes, and a group pops up, saying certain characteristics are better then others.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:18 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:39 pm
General of Clowns Another intresting point What's to say that an alien race could only reproduce with simmilar characteristics ((lets say humanoid and intelegent)), an evolutionary precaution embedded after millenia of inter-species contact with multiple intelegent humanoid species to keep up biological diversity. Then to them, an encounter with us would be a prime oppertunity for economic, political, and sexual diversity.
Assuming sex with non-humans is bestiality, how would this stand? If they could have sex with us and reproduce, they would be human. We can't even mate with monkeys that share 90+% of our genes, reproduction with a completely alien being is nonsense. Ah, it's so sad that so many people get their "science" from Star Trek. ^_^; Anyway, if a species that was capable of interstellar travel was concerned about genetic diversity, they could just... tada!... engineer their genes! ^_^; They could create an entire species from one source, with as much biodiversity as they felt they needed.
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