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 Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:39 pm
Our new border patrol... armed with ATV's and walky-talkies... effective?
Yes as a matter of fact, a few concerned citizens have taken a stand... believe it or not they have stopped over 100 illegal immigrants in one weak, they are effective, even not having shot anyone (which makes them seam less of a threat), and delivering the illegals to border patrol. (Which are immediately shipped out back to Mexico)
With such a great community do people not want it?
Sadly, yes believe it or not they don't, personally doesn't that make you think that�s pushing it as our own senators implying that they want them?
It over crowds the hospitals, and with the rise of unemployment cause competition, yes we are competing with people WHO DON'T BELONG HERE!!!
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Is the citizen border-patrol group formed to defend the U.S. against illegal aliens being targeted for cross-border retribution by opposition groups based in Mexico?
DUH... Mexico, our #1 illegal priority besides Cuba, why are people against it... they are illegal, why do you think people are against the militia, concerned citizens taking a stand, Isn't that what America is all about.
My question to you is, if people are crossing borders... at least 70% of the time with drugs to sell to our native born LEGAL immigrants, who are getting screwed over by the Mexicans, why do you want them here?
This is a major problem people, others are there to make a difference, so why not? As Americans we are based on immigrants, but the ones that are here to work.
I understand that some are there to make a real lying unlike some people who are here. SO WHY THE ******** DON'T THEY GET THE GREEN CARD??? If terrorist could get it saying that they are going to school in "Somewhere in the west" I think they can manage something.
Also, don't give me the s**t that they are here to do America�s dirty work... with our homeless people ion the rise they do want to do need the jobs, and why can't we as the federal government crack down?
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To lazy to read the discussion... here it is:
I believe that these people should have guns, stop our illegal flood of Mexicans and there drugs, but people are against it. What is your view point?
Thank You For Your Time,
-Drewser
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:24 pm
why, of course, the border militia, having the constitutional right of peaceful assembly, can be there and can serve as an effective border patrol.
And the ACLU, having the constitutional right of peaceful assembly, can be there, breathing down their necks and asking "what does this button do?" all day long, to make sure the militia's peaceful assembly is kept peaceful.
God bless the ACLU
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:31 pm
I'll give the same answer as I did in the ED discussion:
Here is how I view illegal immigrants, they aren't suppose to be here, they got here illegally so they shouldn't have any rights. Once they get here and when we get them, we boot their a** home. Sounds wrong but it is the effective thing that can be done. Yet another option could be a ten thousand volt electric fence that runs along the border with stations set up a couple miles because these weak chain link fences aren't doing the trick, millions get in every year and only thousands get sent back, a electric fence would discourage them.
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:08 pm
Jin Won I'll give the same answer as I did in the ED discussion:
Here is how I view illegal immigrants, they aren't suppose to be here, they got here illegally of course so let's just say they shouldn't have no rights. Once they get here and we get them boot their a** home. Sounds wrong but it is the effective thing that can be done. Yet another option could be a ten thousand volt electric fence that runs along the border with stations set up a couple miles because these weak chain link fence isn't doing the trick, millions get in every year and only thousands get sent back, a electric fence would discourage them. like the great wall of china but americanized... i love it!
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AmmonSuperCombo Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:22 am
AmmonSuperCombo Jin Won I'll give the same answer as I did in the ED discussion:
Here is how I view illegal immigrants, they aren't suppose to be here, they got here illegally of course so let's just say they shouldn't have no rights. Once they get here and we get them boot their a** home. Sounds wrong but it is the effective thing that can be done. Yet another option could be a ten thousand volt electric fence that runs along the border with stations set up a couple miles because these weak chain link fence isn't doing the trick, millions get in every year and only thousands get sent back, a electric fence would discourage them. like the great wall of china but americanized... i love it! The great part is, that these are people devoted, its not jsut some one doing it for the money. God bless the Border patrol, but they can't do it on their own, the militia is well... great.
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:37 am
Drewser AmmonSuperCombo Jin Won I'll give the same answer as I did in the ED discussion:
Here is how I view illegal immigrants, they aren't suppose to be here, they got here illegally of course so let's just say they shouldn't have no rights. Once they get here and we get them boot their a** home. Sounds wrong but it is the effective thing that can be done. Yet another option could be a ten thousand volt electric fence that runs along the border with stations set up a couple miles because these weak chain link fence isn't doing the trick, millions get in every year and only thousands get sent back, a electric fence would discourage them. like the great wall of china but americanized... i love it! The great part is, that these are people devoted, its not jsut some one doing it for the money. God bless the Border patrol, but they can't do it on their own, the militia is well... great. An Americanized Berlin wall wouldn't be bad either. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:01 pm
Lupin The Great Drewser AmmonSuperCombo Jin Won I'll give the same answer as I did in the ED discussion:
Here is how I view illegal immigrants, they aren't suppose to be here, they got here illegally of course so let's just say they shouldn't have no rights. Once they get here and we get them boot their a** home. Sounds wrong but it is the effective thing that can be done. Yet another option could be a ten thousand volt electric fence that runs along the border with stations set up a couple miles because these weak chain link fence isn't doing the trick, millions get in every year and only thousands get sent back, a electric fence would discourage them. like the great wall of china but americanized... i love it! The great part is, that these are people devoted, its not jsut some one doing it for the money. God bless the Border patrol, but they can't do it on their own, the militia is well... great. An Americanized Berlin wall wouldn't be bad either. 3nodding Yes, and it will be useful, actually keeping the drug dealers out, instead of seperateing familys.
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:02 pm
I don't think that America is all about spending your spare time patrolling the border for escaped Mexicans, no. The fact remains that they're outside the Minuteman jurisdiction, and in any case, being vigilantes, the Minutemen have no jurisdiction; surveillance of fugitives from the law isn't a civilian function, it's a law enforcement function.
It's none of my concern who immigrates here illegally. I don't approve of it, but I don't approve of vigilantes, either. They pose a danger to everyone around them, not just criminals. For example, supposing that not all the people they're tracking are just immigrants looking for work. Suppose that some of them are hardened criminals, fleeing the law internationally.
Suppose that a hardened criminal, fleeing Mexican law, knows that he might be discovered by these vigilantes who track fugitives. Suppose that he comes armed, expecting to do what he has to do to elude capture. What's likely to happen? Is somebody likely to be hurt?
Thankfully, it's likely that only the armed criminal or the Minuteman would be in harm's way if the hypothetical criminal actually encounters the Minutemen. If not, well, who knows what will happen. (Can't be everywhere at once.)
If nothing else, the INS that the Minutemen so deride has training and experience handling fugitives. Enthusiasm is a poor substitute.
And I find the 70% figure for illegals carrying narcotics somewhat unlikely. A lot of the drugs that are smuggled into the US come in planes, not in backpacks.
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:21 am
Wendigo I don't think that America is all about spending your spare time patrolling the border for escaped Mexicans, no. The fact remains that they're outside the Minuteman jurisdiction, and in any case, being vigilantes, the Minutemen have no jurisdiction; surveillance of fugitives from the law isn't a civilian function, it's a law enforcement function. It's none of my concern who immigrates here illegally. I don't approve of it, but I don't approve of vigilantes, either. They pose a danger to everyone around them, not just criminals. For example, supposing that not all the people they're tracking are just immigrants looking for work. Suppose that some of them are hardened criminals, fleeing the law internationally. Suppose that a hardened criminal, fleeing Mexican law, knows that he might be discovered by these vigilantes who track fugitives. Suppose that he comes armed, expecting to do what he has to do to elude capture. What's likely to happen? Is somebody likely to be hurt? Thankfully, it's likely that only the armed criminal or the Minuteman would be in harm's way if the hypothetical criminal actually encounters the Minutemen. If not, well, who knows what will happen. (Can't be everywhere at once.) If nothing else, the INS that the Minutemen so deride has training and experience handling fugitives. Enthusiasm is a poor substitute. And I find the 70% figure for illegals carrying narcotics somewhat unlikely. A lot of the drugs that are smuggled into the US come in planes, not in backpacks. Actually most illegals do carry drugs since their begin promised jobs by drug dealers in america. But still I say we need a Wall similar to the beriln wall to sheild the southern border off from illegal's instead of them killing themselves trying to sneak over here.
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:18 pm
Lupin The Great Actually most illegals do carry drugs since their begin promised jobs by drug dealers in america. Evidence. Many "illegals" come over "legally," having been promised jobs by companies that are abusing the legal process for recruiting foreigners. (Specifically, companies request future illegals to work for them, but are really receiving money from the workers. Who go on to apply for other work. Typically, the government catches on when they investigate whether such companies have advertised the openings they hire immigrants for in the United States first, but most of the workers will have moved on.) Quote: But still I say we need a Wall similar to the beriln wall to sheild the southern border off from illegal's instead of them killing themselves trying to sneak over here. I don't. I'd rather we crack down on the companies that hire illegals for low wages. Maybe sieze all their assets and auction them off. As long as whatever they come over here for is still here, they'll still kill themselves trying to get it. The Berlin Wall was put up by the Soviets, to keep Easterners from looking for opportunity in the capitalist West. They spent decades fortifying that wall, and people still killed themselves trying to cross it. Because East Berlin was still a shithole. Ideally, Mexico would be economically viable enough that there's no reason to immigrate here. I'm not sure what we could do to make that happen, or even if there's anything we could do. The next best thing would be to make legal immigration the only possible way to find work, which with the corporate influence over legislation is not about to happen. The next next best thing is to catch all the illegals before they find employment and a place to disappear. Preferably by strengthening the INS, rather than sending out a bunch of self-important douchebags with ATVs and Hummers. Since we're already paying for the former, and the latter have no responsibility to anybody for their actions.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:56 am
Wendigo Lupin The Great Actually most illegals do carry drugs since their begin promised jobs by drug dealers in america. Evidence. Many "illegals" come over "legally," having been promised jobs by companies that are abusing the legal process for recruiting foreigners. (Specifically, companies request future illegals to work for them, but are really receiving money from the workers. Who go on to apply for other work. Typically, the government catches on when they investigate whether such companies have advertised the openings they hire immigrants for in the United States first, but most of the workers will have moved on.) Quote: But still I say we need a Wall similar to the beriln wall to sheild the southern border off from illegal's instead of them killing themselves trying to sneak over here. I don't. I'd rather we crack down on the companies that hire illegals for low wages. Maybe sieze all their assets and auction them off. As long as whatever they come over here for is still here, they'll still kill themselves trying to get it. The Berlin Wall was put up by the Soviets, to keep Easterners from looking for opportunity in the capitalist West. They spent decades fortifying that wall, and people still killed themselves trying to cross it. Because East Berlin was still a shithole. Ideally, Mexico would be economically viable enough that there's no reason to immigrate here. I'm not sure what we could do to make that happen, or even if there's anything we could do. The next best thing would be to make legal immigration the only possible way to find work, which with the corporate influence over legislation is not about to happen. The next next best thing is to catch all the illegals before they find employment and a place to disappear. Preferably by strengthening the INS, rather than sending out a bunch of self-important douchebags with ATVs and Hummers. Since we're already paying for the former, and the latter have no responsibility to anybody for their actions. I see nothign wrong with a millita if it's being done privately then they are doing america a favor. But still I say we need a "Berilin Wall" style wall.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:06 pm
Lupin The Great Wendigo Lupin The Great Actually most illegals do carry drugs since their begin promised jobs by drug dealers in america. Evidence. Many "illegals" come over "legally," having been promised jobs by companies that are abusing the legal process for recruiting foreigners. (Specifically, companies request future illegals to work for them, but are really receiving money from the workers. Who go on to apply for other work. Typically, the government catches on when they investigate whether such companies have advertised the openings they hire immigrants for in the United States first, but most of the workers will have moved on.) Quote: But still I say we need a Wall similar to the beriln wall to sheild the southern border off from illegal's instead of them killing themselves trying to sneak over here. I don't. I'd rather we crack down on the companies that hire illegals for low wages. Maybe sieze all their assets and auction them off. As long as whatever they come over here for is still here, they'll still kill themselves trying to get it. The Berlin Wall was put up by the Soviets, to keep Easterners from looking for opportunity in the capitalist West. They spent decades fortifying that wall, and people still killed themselves trying to cross it. Because East Berlin was still a shithole. Ideally, Mexico would be economically viable enough that there's no reason to immigrate here. I'm not sure what we could do to make that happen, or even if there's anything we could do. The next best thing would be to make legal immigration the only possible way to find work, which with the corporate influence over legislation is not about to happen. The next next best thing is to catch all the illegals before they find employment and a place to disappear. Preferably by strengthening the INS, rather than sending out a bunch of self-important douchebags with ATVs and Hummers. Since we're already paying for the former, and the latter have no responsibility to anybody for their actions. I see nothign wrong with a millita if it's being done privately then they are doing america a favor. But still I say we need a "Berilin Wall" style wall. Sad to say that we need to resort to it, but agreed.
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:42 am
Drewser Lupin The Great Wendigo Lupin The Great Actually most illegals do carry drugs since their begin promised jobs by drug dealers in america. Evidence. Many "illegals" come over "legally," having been promised jobs by companies that are abusing the legal process for recruiting foreigners. (Specifically, companies request future illegals to work for them, but are really receiving money from the workers. Who go on to apply for other work. Typically, the government catches on when they investigate whether such companies have advertised the openings they hire immigrants for in the United States first, but most of the workers will have moved on.) Quote: But still I say we need a Wall similar to the beriln wall to sheild the southern border off from illegal's instead of them killing themselves trying to sneak over here. I don't. I'd rather we crack down on the companies that hire illegals for low wages. Maybe sieze all their assets and auction them off. As long as whatever they come over here for is still here, they'll still kill themselves trying to get it. The Berlin Wall was put up by the Soviets, to keep Easterners from looking for opportunity in the capitalist West. They spent decades fortifying that wall, and people still killed themselves trying to cross it. Because East Berlin was still a shithole. Ideally, Mexico would be economically viable enough that there's no reason to immigrate here. I'm not sure what we could do to make that happen, or even if there's anything we could do. The next best thing would be to make legal immigration the only possible way to find work, which with the corporate influence over legislation is not about to happen. The next next best thing is to catch all the illegals before they find employment and a place to disappear. Preferably by strengthening the INS, rather than sending out a bunch of self-important douchebags with ATVs and Hummers. Since we're already paying for the former, and the latter have no responsibility to anybody for their actions. I see nothign wrong with a millita if it's being done privately then they are doing america a favor. But still I say we need a "Berilin Wall" style wall. Sad to say that we need to resort to it, but agreed. Indeed
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:11 pm
I've never appreciated any group of vigilantes more than I appreciate the minute men...not all illegal immigrats are drug dealers, some of them are just coming to make a better life for themselves, but we cannot continue to allow undocumented people to pass through our borders. It's just not safe! Because some of them ARE drug dealers. Some of them ARE convicts. Some of them ARE terrorists! We need to protect our citizens first.
I've been suggesting for years that we should have a kind of 'draft' for border patrol agents. It's not that difficult of a job. We could draft a man a mile and we'd still have under 2000 people on our mexican border. I'm sure there are enough young men willing to protect their country for a reasonable wage that a 'draft' isn't necassary. As a resident of Texas, I have experienced first-hand how illegal immigrants can cause trouble for citizens. Recently, a friend of mine was rear-ended by a car full of illegal immigrants heading to their work at a construction site. Since the illegals obviously didn't have insurance, my friend had to pay for her car to be fixed, even though it was their fault. That's just one of the many prices we pay for not protecting our borders. There are some consequences even more grave than that, I'm sure. We need to take the initiative and protect our borders. Before the aliens TAKE OVER! lol
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:40 pm
Fermata not all illegal immigrats are drug dealers, some of them are just coming to make a better life for themselves, but we cannot continue to allow undocumented people to pass through our borders. It's just not safe! Actually, the vast majority of them are coming to make a better life for themselves - by far. And since most of these illegal immigrants are working to send back money to their families and don't want to risk that, the vast majority of them don't go and do other illegal activities - they have too much to lose if they get caught and sent back to Mexico. If you've actually known any illegal immigrants or been around these sorts of families or neighborhoods you'd know that. If anything, the one bad thing that they take part in is that they typically don't report crimes - which most of the time are done to the illegal immigrants, and not by them. Fermata Because some of them ARE drug dealers. Some of them ARE convicts. Some of them ARE terrorists! We need to protect our citizens first. This is completely naive and unrealistic. Drug dealers don't typically sneak across borders to come over here. They use planes with cargo as covers for their drug trades. Typically, they stay in their own country because it's safer for them - all drug dealers know about America's War on Drugs. Why come to America when you're more likely to be caught? No, they ship the drugs to us because Americans buy them. Terrorist sneaking across the borders? No, that's not right at all. The terrorists that we need to fear are the ones that come over with green cards or student visas or work visas or such. The dangerous terrorists are the ones with money and resources....they don't go risking their covers or jihads by sneaking across borders. One of the first steps in fighting back against terrorists is in understanding that they are smart, methodical, and resourceful - they are not stupid. As for convicts sneaking across the borders, that'd I'd have to say does happen. And that is a reason to be alarmed, although to say that anything more than a very small minority of illegal immigrants are convicts would be false. No, illegal immigrants pose much less of a threat to you than you think. Why? Because they just want to make money for their families back home. Doing anything else jeopardizes that. Does that make illegal immigration right? No, it doesn't. But get your facts right when arguing against illegal immigration. Fermata I've been suggesting for years that we should have a kind of 'draft' for border patrol agents. It's not that difficult of a job. We could draft a man a mile and we'd still have under 2000 people on our mexican border. I'm sure there are enough young men willing to protect their country for a reasonable wage that a 'draft' isn't necassary. That's actually a pretty good idea! Much better than resorting to vigilante groups who occasionally break the law - thus undermining their entire efforts. If something like this came up, it might have a chance to be voted on. Fermata As a resident of Texas, I have experienced first-hand how illegal immigrants can cause trouble for citizens. Recently, a friend of mine was rear-ended by a car full of illegal immigrants heading to their work at a construction site. Since the illegals obviously didn't have insurance, my friend had to pay for her car to be fixed, even though it was their fault. Oh...so American citizens never run from the scene of a crime? I've actually had much more experience of my own and through friends and family that American citizens are much more dangerous behind the wheel. Blaming that entire episode upon the problems of illegal immigration is incorrect. That car full of illegal immigrants was quite possibly being driven by an American citizen who stood to make money from hiring the immigrants. Stopping to take care of the accident would lose the construction site money, so that's out of the question. This issue is so much more complex than to be relegated to the single incident of a friend's car accident - no matter how tragic and unfair it was. Fermata We need to take the initiative and protect our borders. Before the aliens TAKE OVER! lol Just tell the American Indians that.... wink
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