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 Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:21 am
Well as this year comes to a close I was just thinking our policy on fighting global terror and I believe that america itself needs to use better tactics in waging this war. In other words we need to get down and dirty, like the terrorist, instead of basing our policy on the Geneva Accords after WW1. At this point I'm tired of our troops having to stick to some international piece of legislator and in the mean time trying to dodge bullets.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:47 pm
well, the reason that you want american troops to be more like the terrorists and ignore all of the human rights that our society holds dear, and recede to a mentality that dicatetes that we can be just as bad as they are to level the playing field, is simply that you have no sense of decency, fell no empathy or suympathy, and have a horrible contempt for all of the sacrifices so many people did to ensure our society wopuld not endorse such things as torture.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:41 pm
DarthNader well, the reason that you want american troops to be more like the terrorists and ignore all of the human rights that our society holds dear, and recede to a mentality that dicatetes that we can be just as bad as they are to level the playing field, is simply that you have no sense of decency, fell no empathy or suympathy, and have a horrible contempt for all of the sacrifices so many people did to ensure our society wopuld not endorse such things as torture. No, he wants to do it because this so-called "war" id becoming more trouble than it's worth. When one side forces itself to play by some pathetic ideology of "fair-play", and their opposition does not and will do anything to win, it's a bit one-sided.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:49 pm
I completely agree with you, DarthNader, and there's more too. I believe with every fiber of my being that if we started resorting to the same tactics that the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq use, we would only lose more American troops as well as civilians. Once we start using these tactics, it wouldn't be a hard case at all for extremist Muslims to start hiring on more mercenaries and jihadists.
As it is right now, expecially after the attacks in Jordan, Muslims are decrying the methods of the terrorists and insurgents. For God's sake, the Muslims in Jordan who usually all but hate America were just last week demonstrating in the streets, calling for the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Being against these types of methods and tactics is what makes us Americans, what lets us hold our heads up high, what allows us to consider ourselves a civilized nation. To go against all that is nothing short of un-American.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:55 pm
Diadrin When one side forces itself to play by some pathetic ideology of "fair-play", and their opposition does not and will do anything to win, it's a bit one-sided. When did doing our best to save the lives of innocent civilians - including women and children - become a "pathetic ideology of 'fair-play' "? There's this underground current of sentiment bordering on facism that is endorsing the move of using these tactics and methods. Everyone who gave their lives in WWII - the last "great war" - would be ashamed of any American endorsing terrorist methods. Yes, our men are dying out there. And yes, it's a complete and utter shame that they are dying to these cheating, underhanded tactics. But this is exactly the consequences of going to war against individuals like these. Didn't our President warn us that it wouldn't be easy and that it would be hard-going?
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:50 am
DarthNader well, the reason that you want american troops to be more like the terrorists and ignore all of the human rights that our society holds dear, and recede to a mentality that dicatetes that we can be just as bad as they are to level the playing field, is simply that you have no sense of decency, fell no empathy or suympathy, and have a horrible contempt for all of the sacrifices so many people did to ensure our society wopuld not endorse such things as torture. Thats not it, this war would be more sucessful if american troops were to ignore standard war principles since these terrorist are nto representing a Central Government or state, so in essence the Geneva Accords are void due to the fact that we aren't battling an army but merely criminals. And how dare you say that I have no sympathy for american sacrafices in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd like to ask you what hae you done patriotic over the last 4 years. Where were you during 9-11, where were you during the D.C. sniper crisis, where were you when we went into Iraq? So Nader if you can answer that I'll have mroe respect for you as an american and as a person with a soul. But until then never question my patriotism.
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:31 am
This war on terror is complicated, and there is no clear victory. Terrorism cannot be defeated because terrorist are not part of one organization. We're not fighting against a single country, it is not clear who our enemy is. Al Qaeda is not the worlds only terrorist organization. If we begin to use the same tactics as terrorist we're only fueling the idea that such tactics are acceptable.
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:37 am
Lupin The Great Thats not it, this war would be more sucessful if american troops were to ignore standard war principles since these terrorist are nto representing a Central Government or state, so in essence the Geneva Accords are void due to the fact that we aren't battling an army but merely criminals. Very interesting point. Ok, then, what tactics and methods would you say our troops should use?
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:38 am
One more thing, if we ignore the geneva convention than we are simply aiding the terrorist. Our enemy has no sympathy and would rejoice if we decided to join in thier tactics. Our enemy wishes to start a large scale global conflict, a conflict which will see more bloodshed than any other war in history. I'm not saying that muslims want to do this, terrorist are very off par from the true teachings of Islam, fundamental extremist are called fundamental extremist for a reason, they ake the base of a teaching and pollute it with thier own corrupt ideas.
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:04 am
Sir Magus This war on terror is complicated, and there is no clear victory. Terrorism cannot be defeated because terrorist are not part of one organization. We're not fighting against a single country, it is not clear who our enemy is. Al Qaeda is not the worlds only terrorist organization. If we begin to use the same tactics as terrorist we're only fueling the idea that such tactics are acceptable. I never said we were fighting a country I said terror or terrorism. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:14 am
Draven_Sheol Lupin The Great Thats not it, this war would be more sucessful if american troops were to ignore standard war principles since these terrorist are nto representing a Central Government or state, so in essence the Geneva Accords are void due to the fact that we aren't battling an army but merely criminals. Very interesting point. Ok, then, what tactics and methods would you say our troops should use? Since the terrorist are not representing a country or government, the Geneva Convention does not apply to them. And since it doesn't I say we need to...well to put this in a blunt way "fight fire with fire" we need to get information out of them through some violent methods. Because we need to get information one way or the other whether it's false or not it's still information. And this infromation is benficial in trying to keep this country as safe as we can as possible. Because if we pull out of Iraq at this point these terrorist and other radicals will get power and set up a terrorist nation. And what will happen after that you ask, well it's simple if we just let them set up this nation they will get training to set up terror cells here since some ignorant liberals and conservatives keep the mexican boarder open and then these little car bombings that you now see in the middle east and else where will be coming a bt close to home to say the least and I doubt yo would want to go to school with the fear that you might be the victim of a car bombing in your own town.
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:18 am
Sir Magus One more thing, if we ignore the geneva convention than we are simply aiding the terrorist. Our enemy has no sympathy and would rejoice if we decided to join in thier tactics. Our enemy wishes to start a large scale global conflict, a conflict which will see more bloodshed than any other war in history. I'm not saying that muslims want to do this, terrorist are very off par from the true teachings of Islam, fundamental extremist are called fundamental extremist for a reason, they ake the base of a teaching and pollute it with thier own corrupt ideas. Actually the terrorist are already rejoicing since we have the Bush-Bashing left wing media CNN, NBC, etc. And these terrorist do not give a damn about western civilization at all so whether we stick to the Geneva Accords it truely doesn't matter at this point. I want to wage this war knowing that at least we're getting some form of information that might just spare this country another 9-11 attack and keep it safe for another day.
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:13 am
its not a war anymore
its an occupation of a defeated nation which we are in the process of rebuilding and establishing a pro-american government for the purpose of rooting out and destroying terrorism and to further our own and their interests (this does not inlcude oil, i will be frank we do not get oil from there and the revenue we would see if we were to take oil (notice this is in the conditional sense) would not offset the costs for the invasion, occupatin, and restructure)
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:07 pm
pimpkilla2 its not a war anymore its an occupation of a defeated nation which we are in the process of rebuilding and establishing a pro-american government for the purpose of rooting out and destroying terrorism and to further our own and their interests (this does not inlcude oil, i will be frank we do not get oil from there and the revenue we would see if we were to take oil (notice this is in the conditional sense) would not offset the costs for the invasion, occupatin, and restructure)
Pro American government, under the guise of simply "pursuing democracy".
Democracies that run counter to American interests find themselves somewhat blacklisted. An injustice when you consider the claim that these wars and deaths are so that democracy can remove dangerous 'extremism'.
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:02 pm
Invictus_88 pimpkilla2 its not a war anymore its an occupation of a defeated nation which we are in the process of rebuilding and establishing a pro-american government for the purpose of rooting out and destroying terrorism and to further our own and their interests (this does not inlcude oil, i will be frank we do not get oil from there and the revenue we would see if we were to take oil (notice this is in the conditional sense) would not offset the costs for the invasion, occupatin, and restructure)
Pro American government, under the guise of simply "pursuing democracy".
Democracies that run counter to American interests find themselves somewhat blacklisted. An injustice when you consider the claim that these wars and deaths are so that democracy can remove dangerous 'extremism'.Quote: Pro American government, under the guise of simply "pursuing democracy". pro-american=the same or closely tied to american government system ya know, sorta like we did with japan, look at them now Quote: Democracies that run counter to American interests find themselves somewhat blacklisted. werent they run by a DICKtator? Quote: An injustice when you consider the claim that these wars and deaths are so that democracy can remove dangerous 'extremism'. the real injustice is that we dont have support from our supposed allies
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