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 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:26 pm
I found this thing on National Geographic News: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0125_050125_chimeras.htmlIt's about fusing human cells with animal cells. It looked controversial, and I was wondering what everyone here might think of it. Unfortunately, I don't have time right now I write anything about it, but I might this weekend. But go ahead! Discuss! I was paraticulary wondering about the question of ethics, i.e. can you give a mouse a human brain, and then conduct animal experiments on it, or would that be wrong? And also, would the animal have a soul, since in some doctrines, non humans don't have souls? Um... yeah.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:32 am
I don't think they would have souls, but I have no logical argument to support this. It's just a...feeling, I guess.
(It very well could be part of God's plan that these new creatures be created through science and He very well may have instilled in them souls, I have no way of knowing...but for some reason I doubt that.)
Although, personally, I'm a little queasy about the idea of this happening at all.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:33 pm
Me too... I can't really place it, but it doesn't exactly seem right...
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:49 pm
what about ppl who get transplants from animal donors and not human ones...like if you got a kidney from a pig...would you still be considered to be human...i think so...i guess it depends on what's the ratio of human to animal...but this brings me to think what's the major diff between animals and humans...i mean humans are animals but animals are not human...i think the major diff is that humans have consiousness of ourselves and other and of the world around us and animals don't really seems to have that ability...if you have that ability then maybe that's what makes us have souls, so if these "created" being have consiusness then maybe they do have souls, and should be considered humans....wow, i'm done rambling now...
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:40 pm
Anyone see the movie animal? well, this reminds me of that movie. Anyway, I believe that animals already have souls, so...
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:16 pm
Psychedelic Midnight I don't think they would have souls, but I have no logical argument to support this. It's just a...feeling, I guess. (It very well could be part of God's plan that these new creatures be created through science and He very well may have instilled in them souls, I have no way of knowing...but for some reason I doubt that.) Although, personally, I'm a little queasy about the idea of this happening at all. same here... i guess if it was meant to be then it was meant to be.. but something just doesnt feel right to me either..
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:50 pm
Zoemie what about ppl who get transplants from animal donors and not human ones...like if you got a kidney from a pig...would you still be considered to be human...i think so...i guess it depends on what's the ratio of human to animal... but there's a big difference between a kidney or liver transplant and a heart or brain transplant...
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:24 am
Much as it would be fascinating to put a pig brain in a human body and see if the pig could learn to use human limbs/vocal cords and the like... I think it's highly unethical. The whole idea just doesn't sit right with me.
As for the soul issue, I feel the same as Chaoticpuppet. I believe animals have souls of their own already... though from a Christian viewpoint, it brings up some interesting questions.
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:41 pm
Gaian name: Nayomi-chan
Name: Faye Boadicea
Age: 15
Grade (9-12)/job: 10
Appearance: Faye is a typical Heinz 57, her background is pretty much all across the European aspect of the globe. Being barely 5' 3" she is definitely not imposing in stature and the fact that she has to wear a school girl's uniform doesn't help matters. Her eyes are pale blue-grey but most of the time they're covered by a pair of yellow tinted sunglasses. Her hair is bleached blonde and is normally worn in a heavy bun near the nape of her neck. Faye has no visible tattoos or piercings but her mischevious attitude implies that she either has one or is planning on getting a few.
Bio: Faye is the youngest of fraternal triplets and was raised in a very liberal household. Both her mothers insisted that she come to the academy to learn to be a proper lady and that it would be a 'learning experience'. Faye has never been in any relationship and outside of her family, finds it difficult to 'click' with people.
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:40 pm
I'm suddenly reminded of WWII, when the German troops tried to transplant chimp uterii into Jewish women and thereby prove that Jews are no better than animals.
The experiment failed, of course. The women all died relatively quickly, and were unable to conceive a child...
But this has a lot of the same principle, just without the religious undertone... or at least a different one.
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:29 pm
Naeryn I'm suddenly reminded of WWII, when the German troops tried to transplant chimp uterii into Jewish women and thereby prove that Jews are no better than animals. The experiment failed, of course. The women all died relatively quickly, and were unable to conceive a child... But this has a lot of the same principle, just without the religious undertone... or at least a different one. I don't necessarily think that scientists are trying to prove that humans are no better than animals. Maybe this is my blind optimism talking, but I think(/hope) that at most of these people are really only doing this to try and further technology and medicine for the good of humanity. However, I don't think these means will be justified by such an uncertain end.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:43 am
i have heard that they are developing pigs with human genes in order to make transplanting pig organs easier (less rejection). i suppose i am being primitive, but that gives me the shivers. it seems to make the animal nearly human.
another thing i have heard of is growing (cloning, i suppose) human bodies without heads, for organ transplants.
ewww...
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:11 pm
What if the animals start to become as smart as humans? *Forsees Secret of NYMH reanactment* Just seems kind of creepy to have animals with human components in them.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:44 pm
i look at things from a rather shamanistic viewpoint with the souls. everything has a soul. so the mixing of human and animal would have one. however, people would not want to give a pig or mouse or cat rights because its not human, no matter how intelligent(look at humans with different skin tones sad ) but theres nothing wrong with the creation, just what probably happens(think of robin williams in bicentennial man)
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:57 pm
Psychedelic Midnight Naeryn I'm suddenly reminded of WWII, when the German troops tried to transplant chimp uterii into Jewish women and thereby prove that Jews are no better than animals. The experiment failed, of course. The women all died relatively quickly, and were unable to conceive a child... But this has a lot of the same principle, just without the religious undertone... or at least a different one. I don't necessarily think that scientists are trying to prove that humans are no better than animals. Maybe this is my blind optimism talking, but I think(/hope) that at most of these people are really only doing this to try and further technology and medicine for the good of humanity. However, I don't think these means will be justified by such an uncertain end. As I normally try to be optimistic, I have to remind you of human corruption and the fact that some people just do it for fun and such
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