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 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:10 am
How to Fix Wal-Mart There is a lot of hatred being stirred up against Wal-Mart, from both the left and the right. There's even a new documentary movie devoted to demonizing Wal-Mart, playing across the country now. A great response to all this comes from a radio commentary by Paul Jacob, Senior Fellow for Americans for Limited Government: "Some folks don't like Wal-Mart. Okay. Fine. It's a free country. No one should be forced at gunpoint to shop at Wal-Mart. Or to work there. "And no one is. "Wal-Mart has found enormous success in the marketplace only because people have voluntarily chosen to shop and work there. Wal-Mart employs more than 1.6 million people worldwide and, according to the company's published calculations, its lower prices saved the average American family $2,329 last year. "Now I know why, when my wife sends me to the store, she says, "Go to Wal-Mart." "And yet we witness a sustained and hysterical assault against the company... "What on earth makes offering lower prices so evil? "We're told Wal-Mart doesn't pay its employees enough. It doesn't offer generous enough benefits. But if Wal-Mart is so terrible, why didn't these employees choose to take other jobs? Or, were no better jobs available? Is it remotely possible that Wal-Mart should actually be given credit for creating jobs? Could it be that the company has helped its employees escape unemployment and poverty? "Listen: the free market offers Wal-Mart haters an easy way to hit Wal-Mart right where it hurts. These folks need only start their own companies and pay workers more and offer generous healthcare benefits. Problem solved! "Isn't the free market great?" (Source: "The Freedom to Hate Wal-Mart," Paul Jacobs http://www.getliberty.org NOTE: An expanded version of this responds more fully to common charges against Wal-Mart. Read it at: http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/pauljacob/2005/11/20/176217.h tml ) * * *
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:52 pm
I wouldnt really say that Walmart is dangerous to the economy. I would say it still abhorrent
That documentary, for one, is a piece of s**t. Anyone who talks to any ex-governor of a state where Walmart ran ( yes, they run thier own candidates through both parties, and often win) to find out the real problem with walmart: an outright contempt for the laws of this country.
Immigration laws, Campaign finance laws, environmental laws, Immigration laws, labour laws. Walmart sees itslef above them all.
I spoke to William O'neill whom I met through a mutual friend of ours who is a first cousin of Joe Lieberman. O'neill was the last Democratic Governor of Connecticut, and he spoke to me about how, due to him cracking down on labour and environmental violations by walmart, he faced an opposition financed solely by the CT HQ of Walmart, working out of Greenwich, the Nation's republican Mecca.
From the very begining of the democratic primaries, a slew of candidates ran campaigns aimed soley at making him lose support from his base. Gopvernors, if popular, normally face no opposition within their parties. O'neill was re-elected, but the next governor, the Infamous Lowell Weicker, belonged to Wal Mart and to no one else. When the local press uncovered a few scandal in walmarts campaign finace, Weicker responded by jailing the recipients of the campaign donations: 3 of the Democrats that ran primary campaigns against O'neill. national press? nope
It gets much worse in the porrer states, especially the ones with high immigration. Walmart pushes local legislators to raise the minimum wage to drive their competitors out of business, but their margins remain unscathed because they themselves avoid paying minimum wage by hiring illegal immigrants and children Under 14.
The list goes on.
I dont expect Corporations to be moral. They're not people. And if they wanna change the law? fine, let them finance campaigns and buy politicians, I dont care.
But if you have a business in the United States of America, you have signed and agreement. You get to enjoy the economic freedoms of the economic wonderland that is the Us, as long as you aboey the ******** law. And if you dont, your assg ets shut down and jailed, just like it should be
That, my friends, is the real problem with Walmart
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:18 pm
DarthNader I wouldnt really say that Walmart is dangerous to the economy. I would say it still abhorrent That documentary, for one, is a piece of s**t. Anyone who talks to any ex-governor of a state where Walmart ran ( yes, they run thier own candidates through both parties, and often win) to find out the real problem with walmart: an outright contempt for the laws of this country. Immigration laws, Campaign finance laws, environmental laws, Immigration laws, labour laws. Walmart sees itslef above them all. I spoke to William O'neill whom I met through a mutual friend of ours who is a first cousin of Joe Lieberman. O'neill was the last Democratic Governor of Connecticut, and he spoke to me about how, due to him cracking down on labour and environmental violations by walmart, he faced an opposition financed solely by the CT HQ of Walmart, working out of Greenwich, the Nation's republican Mecca. From the very begining of the democratic primaries, a slew of candidates ran campaigns aimed soley at making him lose support from his base. Gopvernors, if popular, normally face no opposition within their parties. O'neill was re-elected, but the next governor, the Infamous Lowell Weicker, belonged to Wal Mart and to no one else. When the local press uncovered a few scandal in walmarts campaign finace, Weicker responded by jailing the recipients of the campaign donations: 3 of the Democrats that ran primary campaigns against O'neill. national press? nope It gets much worse in the porrer states, especially the ones with high immigration. Walmart pushes local legislators to raise the minimum wage to drive their competitors out of business, but their margins remain unscathed because they themselves avoid paying minimum wage by hiring illegal immigrants and children Under 14. The list goes on. I dont expect Corporations to be moral. They're not people. And if they wanna change the law? fine, let them finance campaigns and buy politicians, I dont care. But if you have a business in the United States of America, you have signed and agreement. You get to enjoy the economic freedoms of the economic wonderland that is the Us, as long as you aboey the ******** law. And if you dont, your assg ets shut down and jailed, just like it should be That, my friends, is the real problem with Walmart if americas goverment put troops on the borders this wouldn't be a problem in the first place but thats a moot point. local stores with shady hireing practices should be investaged but most of walmart appears on the level to me. and if you don't like them you dont have to shop there it is a free market. btw don't forget that the Wal Mart company was the first to respond to New Orleans/Southern states effected by the Hurricane's this last summer
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:39 am
lol. yes wal mart is secretly run by satan and his henchmen are on the board of directors. rolleyes
capitolism = successful places such as wal-mart = ability for lower prices for consumer and more jobs. don't like it? suck it up.
enjoy your conspiracy theories. reality will be waiting for you when you are finished.
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AmmonSuperCombo Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:49 pm
nekogal2 if americas goverment put troops on the borders this wouldn't be a problem in the first place but thats a moot point. local stores with shady hireing practices should be investaged but most of walmart appears on the level to me. and if you don't like them you dont have to shop there it is a free market. btw don't forget that the Wal Mart company was the first to respond to New Orleans/Southern states effected by the Hurricane's this last summer 1. yes. WalMart should be allowed to hire ilegal immigrants because the governemnt failed to stop them 2. Well, maybe its just the places I visit, but I've received similar comments from over 14 different parts of the country. And no, I dont shop At Walmart, because I stopped hating myself a while ago, and I have something I like to call Consumer conscience, ie: I like my stuff to be cheap, but, if possible, not with anyone's blood on it. To me, it seems like a basic scruple, and I cannot imagine the degree to which I would loathe myself if I bought stuff at Walmart, especially since other retail stores of the same kind, like Target or Costco, dont have nearly that kind of a criminal record. Again, maybe it's just me, but I think it's worth a couple of cents knowing my money isnt gioing to those who break our laws and subvert our democracy. 3. Yes, walmart was the first company to respond to the Katrina victims. The company arrived thre exactly three hours after the Bush Administration declared his much-criticized federal charge card plan.
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:51 pm
AmmonSuperCombo lol. yes wal mart is secretly run by satan and his henchmen are on the board of directors. rolleyes capitolism = successful places such as wal-mart = ability for lower prices for consumer and more jobs. don't like it? suck it up. enjoy your conspiracy theories. reality will be waiting for you when you are finished. well, as long as my conspiracies are backed up by law enforcement offficials and mid-to-high level Walmart ex-employees, I think I may have some solid ground to stand them on.
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:38 pm
DarthNader nekogal2 if americas goverment put troops on the borders this wouldn't be a problem in the first place but thats a moot point. local stores with shady hireing practices should be investaged but most of walmart appears on the level to me. and if you don't like them you dont have to shop there it is a free market. btw don't forget that the Wal Mart company was the first to respond to New Orleans/Southern states effected by the Hurricane's this last summer 1. yes. WalMart should be allowed to hire ilegal immigrants because the governemnt failed to stop them 2. Well, maybe its just the places I visit, but I've received similar comments from over 14 different parts of the country. And no, I dont shop At Walmart, because I stopped hating myself a while ago, and I have something I like to call Consumer conscience, ie: I like my stuff to be cheap, but, if possible, not with anyone's blood on it. To me, it seems like a basic scruple, and I cannot imagine the degree to which I would loathe myself if I bought stuff at Walmart, especially since other retail stores of the same kind, like Target or Costco, dont have nearly that kind of a criminal record. Again, maybe it's just me, but I think it's worth a couple of cents knowing my money isnt gioing to those who break our laws and subvert our democracy. 3. Yes, walmart was the first company to respond to the Katrina victims. The company arrived thre exactly three hours after the Bush Administration declared his much-criticized federal charge card plan. 1.if we had more open borders we would have a illegal immagartion problem but thats another debate. 2.you tink costco and target are any diffenerent than walmart.all big business have some crimals working for them,but the majority are honest hard working people. 3. they seem to do more good for the community than bad.
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:09 pm
nekogal2 DarthNader nekogal2 if americas goverment put troops on the borders this wouldn't be a problem in the first place but thats a moot point. local stores with shady hireing practices should be investaged but most of walmart appears on the level to me. and if you don't like them you dont have to shop there it is a free market. btw don't forget that the Wal Mart company was the first to respond to New Orleans/Southern states effected by the Hurricane's this last summer 1. yes. WalMart should be allowed to hire ilegal immigrants because the governemnt failed to stop them 2. Well, maybe its just the places I visit, but I've received similar comments from over 14 different parts of the country. And no, I dont shop At Walmart, because I stopped hating myself a while ago, and I have something I like to call Consumer conscience, ie: I like my stuff to be cheap, but, if possible, not with anyone's blood on it. To me, it seems like a basic scruple, and I cannot imagine the degree to which I would loathe myself if I bought stuff at Walmart, especially since other retail stores of the same kind, like Target or Costco, dont have nearly that kind of a criminal record. Again, maybe it's just me, but I think it's worth a couple of cents knowing my money isnt gioing to those who break our laws and subvert our democracy. 3. Yes, walmart was the first company to respond to the Katrina victims. The company arrived thre exactly three hours after the Bush Administration declared his much-criticized federal charge card plan. 1.if we had more open borders we would have a illegal immagartion problem but thats another debate. 2.you tink costco and target are any diffenerent than walmart.all big business have some crimals working for them,but the majority are honest hard working people. 3. they seem to do more good for the community than bad. ok, I must, simply must answer two. That's the priority right now. The whole point of my post was to say that, yes, Target and Costco are different from Walmart. Target and costco simply do not have that kind of criminal history. Maybe it's just me, and if I'm wrong, please correct me, but it sounds to me that you're simply in some kind of denial Me: Walmart breaks the law, Costco and Target dont You: Costco and Target are no different from walmart me: I know, from personal experience, that walmart thinks itself above the law, while I have yet to hear or read about anything that target or Costco does wrong you: All busineses have some crooks in them, but I bet you most walmarts around the country are just fine me: Again, I have yet to speak to someone that has had an overall positive experience in dealing with walmart, and I have spoken to many people that have seen tghem break the law at the highest levels you: why do you hate capitalism? and freedom? and puppies? its just the free market, you commie. yes, the majority of the poeple working in walmart are honest and hardworking. Unfortunately, 99% of the time, the corporate and legal practices of the company are not at all influenced by these people.
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:02 am
DarthNader nekogal2 DarthNader nekogal2 if americas goverment put troops on the borders this wouldn't be a problem in the first place but thats a moot point. local stores with shady hireing practices should be investaged but most of walmart appears on the level to me. and if you don't like them you dont have to shop there it is a free market. btw don't forget that the Wal Mart company was the first to respond to New Orleans/Southern states effected by the Hurricane's this last summer 1. yes. WalMart should be allowed to hire ilegal immigrants because the governemnt failed to stop them 2. Well, maybe its just the places I visit, but I've received similar comments from over 14 different parts of the country. And no, I dont shop At Walmart, because I stopped hating myself a while ago, and I have something I like to call Consumer conscience, ie: I like my stuff to be cheap, but, if possible, not with anyone's blood on it. To me, it seems like a basic scruple, and I cannot imagine the degree to which I would loathe myself if I bought stuff at Walmart, especially since other retail stores of the same kind, like Target or Costco, dont have nearly that kind of a criminal record. Again, maybe it's just me, but I think it's worth a couple of cents knowing my money isnt gioing to those who break our laws and subvert our democracy. 3. Yes, walmart was the first company to respond to the Katrina victims. The company arrived thre exactly three hours after the Bush Administration declared his much-criticized federal charge card plan. 1.if we had more open borders we would have a illegal immagartion problem but thats another debate. 2.you tink costco and target are any diffenerent than walmart.all big business have some crimals working for them,but the majority are honest hard working people. 3. they seem to do more good for the community than bad. ok, I must, simply must answer two. That's the priority right now. The whole point of my post was to say that, yes, Target and Costco are different from Walmart. Target and costco simply do not have that kind of criminal history. Maybe it's just me, and if I'm wrong, please correct me, but it sounds to me that you're simply in some kind of denial Me: Walmart breaks the law, Costco and Target dont You: Costco and Target are no different from walmart me: I know, from personal experience, that walmart thinks itself above the law, while I have yet to hear or read about anything that target or Costco does wrong you: All busineses have some crooks in them, but I bet you most walmarts around the country are just fine me: Again, I have yet to speak to someone that has had an overall positive experience in dealing with walmart, and I have spoken to many people that have seen tghem break the law at the highest levels you: why do you hate capitalism? and freedom? and puppies? its just the free market, you commie. yes, the majority of the poeple working in walmart are honest and hardworking. Unfortunately, 99% of the time, the corporate and legal practices of the company are not at all influenced by these people. 1all companys have some bad apples 2. your not a commie. mabye a socialist. do you dislike the idea of a free market?
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:47 pm
nekogal2 1all companys have some bad apples 2. your not a commie. mabye a socialist. do you dislike the idea of a free market? I like the free market. I have a tatto of Milton Friedman going down on Adam smith on my back while Harry Hrown gives 'em a golden shower* I dont think that being an economic 5 on the Compass allows the possibility of me beig a pinko. *This is a joke. I do not really have a tatoo of three free-market capitalists in a gay orgy. Margaret Thatcher is also in there, making it a bisexual orgy
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:15 pm
AmmonSuperCombo lol. yes wal mart is secretly run by satan and his henchmen are on the board of directors. rolleyes capitolism = successful places such as wal-mart = ability for lower prices for consumer and more jobs. don't like it? suck it up. enjoy your conspiracy theories. reality will be waiting for you when you are finished.
I like Wal-Mart. 3nodding They sell walls. rofl !!!
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:03 am
North Star AmmonSuperCombo lol. yes wal mart is secretly run by satan and his henchmen are on the board of directors. rolleyes capitolism = successful places such as wal-mart = ability for lower prices for consumer and more jobs. don't like it? suck it up. enjoy your conspiracy theories. reality will be waiting for you when you are finished.
I like Wal-Mart. 3nodding They sell walls. rofl !!!I still can't help but think that that's the same response the anti-macarthyists got. Or those who blew watergate, or Iran contra. I know It's the response I get when I talk about war profiteering, manipulation of the libertarain party, or the Reagan Administration smuggling cocaine. I dont even go around spouting crap about the skull and bones, but it seems that every point I make is just some nutty conspiracy. because, really, what is to be gained by hiding the truth?
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:52 pm
Wal-mart is like a virus to the American Economy. Sure it produces jobs and quite a few of them, but the goods they get are mostly from china. The American goods that they do sale, the companies that produce them are forced to bring their prices down to the level of chinese goods. Companies like Rubbermaid are forced to sale their products at very cheap prices in order to be sold at walmart. Some of the prices cant be matched. Workers here have to be paid min. wage, sweatshops in china however just pay the little 10 year old boys 10 cents an hour because thats the only job they can get and they have to ork to help feed the family back home.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:35 pm
blue_odessy Wal-mart is like a virus to the American Economy. Sure it produces jobs and quite a few of them, but the goods they get are mostly from china. The American goods that they do sale, the companies that produce them are forced to bring their prices down to the level of chinese goods. Companies like Rubbermaid are forced to sale their products at very cheap prices in order to be sold at walmart. Some of the prices cant be matched. Workers here have to be paid min. wage, sweatshops in china however just pay the little 10 year old boys 10 cents an hour because thats the only job they can get and they have to ork to help feed the family back home. yay cheaper rubbermaid. welcome to capitolism. those sweatshop kids aren't working in the walmart are they? all walmart is guilty of is buying stuff from the cheapest source available so that it costs less for us. and as much as i hate saving money rolleyes ...
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AmmonSuperCombo Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:35 am
DarthNader North Star AmmonSuperCombo lol. yes wal mart is secretly run by satan and his henchmen are on the board of directors. rolleyes capitolism = successful places such as wal-mart = ability for lower prices for consumer and more jobs. don't like it? suck it up. enjoy your conspiracy theories. reality will be waiting for you when you are finished.
I like Wal-Mart. 3nodding They sell walls. rofl !!!I still can't help but think that that's the same response the anti-macarthyists got. Or those who blew watergate, or Iran contra. I know It's the response I get when I talk about war profiteering, manipulation of the libertarain party, or the Reagan Administration smuggling cocaine. I dont even go around spouting crap about the skull and bones, but it seems that every point I make is just some nutty conspiracy. because, really, what is to be gained by hiding the truth? ' manipulation of the libertarain party?' could you elaborate?
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