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When did i ever ask what role he is better at in the OP? You just went off topic in your first sentence, not a good sign for whats to come in the rest of your post.


Nocturne hard counters Darius. Maybe you could try Nocturne Top instead of guessing at how he may or may not be bad at it.


This in no way shows why his ultimate is better used in the jungle. You still counter wards coming out of base to gank mid/bot lanes or even swinging down from top.


All of which also make him good Top.

I get the feeling you wanted to take part in conversation but your post doesn't have any direction or point. I hope you try out Nocturne Top and have fun with it. (:

Can I just say, not trying to be too judgemental that you must be very unexperienced if you think nocturne counters darius. Darius an tanky "anti-dps" champion, nocturne is too squishy early game thus making nocturne very vulunerable to darius, even if he can dodge his ulti noxian guillotine, he will be severly crippled from his w, massive as (attack speed) reduction and 200% damage. Since nocturne is an dps champion then he counters him. DPS champions and Tanky AD bruisers is a immediate counter lane and AD bruisers always win unless it's fiora your talking about. His massive attack speed reduction makes him even more USELESS. He has a better harass than nocturne from his "Q". He is mainly build on armor and has massive damage while being really hard to take down from early to late game.
Your basic attacks against darius barely scratches him unless you play against a unskilled darius that doesn't know how to build correctly.

His bleed is absolutely strong. You cannot compare the two. And I sincerely hope you don't judge people just because I wanted to bring that nocturne is better in the jungle? You just don't play nocturne top, you want to make the most of his ultimate, Why would you need 2k gap close during laning phase? His 2k ultimate counters wards which OBVIOUSLY do not exceed 2k range does it?

All that makes him better top? Excuse me but ganking requires going through brushes so therefore more effciently better in the jungle against teemo's mushrooms.. I've played nocturne top he is absolute crap top.

He does not have any gap closers to counter teemo in laning phase expect ulti which is a waste tbh absolute waste espicially when he has his mushrooms and "w" to outrun you. He also can blind you which will mean he wins trades.

Also just to correct your original post. He does need FLASH he has no gap closers and he can only escape from his "q" anyone who can slow you heavily, lee sin, karthus, singed, you are dead.

Gank lanes from top? Cool your ultimate is now gone be prepared to be suffering in agony when you return to your lane. You cannot use it for another 150 seconds. Also you can tell when champions are not in their lanes "MIA" or "SS" will give it away to mid lanes and make them play more safely.

430 Hp at level 1 is absolutely lame. Darius only requires five basic attacks + proc from passive and he should be down at 1/4 hp. His sustain is also bad.

Just to say I'm Level 30 EUW, 600+ Wins. If you still want to test this, 1v1 use nocturne and I beat you with darius.

Sorry for a late reply, these weren't showing in my news feed and i work. Every champion is situational, there is always a counter no matter who you pick. Nocturne Top is non-meta so it helps to have general knowledge of possible matchups. If you do not Top often i would recommend mana-less champions.

I run 9/21 masteries.

Judging from your post you have never played Darius against a Nocturne Top.

**Keep in mind that any disadvantageous matchup can be overcome with skill and knowledge of a champion.

Darius as a tanky DPS is squishy early game. While Nocturne is a DPS Assassin, he is often built as a tanky DPS but you will not be getting early kills. This means that Nocturne could mirror the build of Darius and it would be a farm lane. My main focus early game as Nocturne vs Darius is forcing duels. Leading in minion kills and/or player kills against any opponent helps a lot in the outcome of duels and lane phase. A pot start helps Nocturnes poor sustain early and grants him more AD than with any item.

Nocturnes passive is close to the equivalent of Darius's W, both dealing 120% of total AD early. You put a lot of emphasis on the AS reduction from potentially landing a W (It's a ridiculously easy skill to shield). A 20% slow (Most would max Q first) taken from a 20% passive AS boost would only neutralize it. The amount of AS on both skills taken/gained match each other levels 1 through 5. If Nocturne shields the W then not only do you get your skill on cooldown, you just doubled his AS boost which helps proc his 'mini Darius Ws' faster.
Nocturne has better poke with his Duskbringer and it outranges Darius's Q. Darius and Nocturne have different forms of harrass but Darius has no counter against Nocturnes shield and hard CC which is why Nocturne comes out on top.

You're assuming you get the gold to buy armor in the first place and by then Nocturne will have a gold if not kill advantage. Nocturnes Ultimate is best used ganking from lane in Mid or Bot. You come from behind turret, gank a lane (buy with newly gained gold if time) then teleport Top.

Do not blame the champion for the players mistakes. If you jungle at all you would know that there are 3 ways to gank every lane: Jungle bush, River and Lane.**

You can shield teemo's Blind and he cannot farm if you zone him. Ranged champions do generally counter melee champions.**

Wards save lives. I do not run flash on him because i never need it. Better map awareness and ward placement could allow you to not need it either.

When you back Nocturne is assumed to be returning to lane and you can use your ulti. It is the same no matter what champion you use, common sense will determine when it's a good time to gank.

I see you can use the Wiki. Nocturne will have 520 HP starting and Lifesteal. You generalize way too much to theory craft.

I am NA, but if you would like to sometime i wouldn't mind giving it a shot. I foresee it becoming a farm lane though since both of us would know who we were facing.

Try to get better at Nocturne Top and you will see the benefits.

I've also been playing Rengar a lot lately. He has a very high skill cap but its awesome.

I do not 100% agree with this. I play Nocturne top occasionally. I play alot of s**t top. Anyways, besides the point. Nocturne does fine top, he may not be the flavor of the month and he may not be what everyone bans. He belongs top as much as any other assassin. I mean I see Akali, Zed, Kha, all going top and he is the exact same as them. He brings stuff to the table. He has a Spellshield with an AS stelroid, a CC (Fear) which I dont really call CC too much cause sometimes it works against you than for you but whatever. A universal ultimate, a Poke with a MS boost, a damage/sustain passive.

Now, I can honestly say, with having Nocturne, My jungler is actually more comfortable in his jungle knowing thatI can assist him at anytime, after 6, if he gets caught from a counter jungle. My jungler has also admitted to me that he felt more comfortable counter jungling after 6 knowing i could ult and help. Anytime, my mid lane friend needs help, he kites them top and I ult to help. I have plenty of times, wished i was playing Nocturne as people get away with 100 or less health knowing i could just ult them. My only problem with Nocturne top, is that his passive causes his lane to push.

All this talk about counters? Man, I know a few of you play Singed here. Do you know how many champions counter him? A s**t ton, but he is still played because his playstyle is "Play safe early, play hard late.." Do that with Nocturne. I believe that with the right set of knowledge and with the help of a jungler, alot of these "not so meta top laners" like Mundo, Skarner and Nocturne, make awesome top laners, you just need the right knowledge. Man I love playing Skarner top, but thats a story for another day.

ok pretty much don't do it. it's fine at low elos cause they have zero clue how to counter you and yyou pretty much can shred them to pieces with out breaking a sweat but as you move up in elo, players begin to know how to counter you especially since in lane you are extremely squishy especially in top lane where ad bruisers can just melt you down into a puddle of darkness. stick with jungle, his ganks are pretty good with a pretty fast clear time.