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blue_odessy

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:08 am


Glen Wheeler is a child molesting *****. In Court He admitted to Sexualy Molesting 7 girls. judge John Mccann sentenced him to only 5 years in state prison.

After he finished his 5 years he was released on probation and he violated that by not regeristing as a sex offender and running to Florida and changing his name. He was finally caught and brought back to court. the D.A. wanted and pressed for 10 years behind bars. What did the great Massachusetts judge do? Let the ***** back onto the streets with nothing more than an ankle gps tracker. He refused to send Glen Wheeler back to jail. He will not publically comment on his Decision.

Massachusetts also has failed to adopt the "Jessica Law" and shows no sign of adopting the law in the near future. (which 8 other states have already adopted and many others are close to adopting)

Named in memory of Jessica Lunsford, who was abducted and sexually assaulted before being brutally murdered, "Jessica's Law" refers to the Jessica Lunsford Act passed in Florida which mandates a minimum sentence of 25 years and a maximum of life in prison for first-time child sex offenders.

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Incompetence of Massachusetts and of Judge Mccann, Jessica's Law, ***** Punishment.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:12 pm


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blue_odessy

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:40 pm


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:05 pm


Personally I don't see any real discussion here. I think both conservatives and liberals and all those in-between will agree that ***** should be punished brutally.
I for one definitely think that they should be put in for 25 years or more. Though, I agree with dartalian that the law should definitely be specific to as to who it prosecutes. I do not know the specifics about the law, i'll have to look it up later.

Winter Amastacia


dartalian

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:54 pm


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:33 pm


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Studies indicate that approximately 5 % of treated sex offenders re-offend in a sexual way. Untreated sex offenders re-offend approximately 7% in a sexual way. Approximately 8% re-offend in a non-sexual, non-violent way and 3% re-offend in a non-sexual, violent way, and approximately 77% have no new offenses at all



this is from a county sheiriffs site... shows that laws like these are not only ineffective, but unconstitutional

http://www.sheriff.co.stark.oh.us/pr01-questions.htm#q3

agrab0ekim


liz_bliz_inc

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:59 pm


"states heading in the wrong direction"

wow, yeah, putting that in instead of just saying they were moving away from the law. But putting that there and automatically looking kinda like a dickhead was a the right decision, job well done.

Anyway, for starters, I think some of you might want to rethink saying brutally punished. I mean, we shouldn't be laying these people open with whips of barbed wire or driving metal steaks into random limbs toturing them now should we? Cause then we'd be just as bad as them. Cause that's kinda what comes to mind when I hear 'brutally punished'.

Anyway, I think Dart covered part of what I had to say, though not all of it. For starters, there is more than one kind sex offense. It can go from full on rape and murder, to prostitution (even those of the age of senority) to something as simple as a peeping tom and an uncle touching in the wrong places. I argee that major offenders should be treated in the same way as major offenders in other fields of illegal activity, someone who rapes a 8 year old and them totures them to death deserve life, maybe a LI.

True this things should not go un-noticed as they could turn into something worse. Yet, would you feel good inside sending a person away from 25 years (a 1/3 of a life in most cases) because he was drooling through a window a a girl, and thats all? I think once again that rehabilitation where it is possible is really a good option for almost all offenders of such petty things in comparision.

Another problem is with the rehabilition and re entering into society. Once they have served their time and had their head sorted out, looking to re-establish their lives, the last thing they need it an angry mob outside their door most of the time, screaming for them to die horribly, burn in hell and other things. Too many people see the sex offender list and skip past the ratings portion that could make the difference between a peeping tom, a pimp, and a rapist. And the more they are antagonized about their past life, the greater chance they have to relaspe into it. Many sex offenders can reintegrate into society becaue they are let to.

Many times instead of saving those we can from becoming full badies, we transform them into them and them blame them for it.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:16 am


agrab0ekim
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Studies indicate that approximately 5 % of treated sex offenders re-offend in a sexual way. Untreated sex offenders re-offend approximately 7% in a sexual way. Approximately 8% re-offend in a non-sexual, non-violent way and 3% re-offend in a non-sexual, violent way, and approximately 77% have no new offenses at all



this is from a county sheiriffs site... shows that laws like these are not only ineffective, but unconstitutional

http://www.sheriff.co.stark.oh.us/pr01-questions.htm#q3


77% have no new offenses that the police know about anyways. Sexual abuse is the most unreported crime.

Omnileech

Omnipresent Warlord


blue_odessy

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 8:46 pm


liz_bliz
"states heading in the wrong direction"

wow, yeah, putting that in instead of just saying they were moving away from the law. But putting that there and automatically looking kinda like a dickhead was a the right decision, job well done.


woah, take it easy. All It means by "wrong Direction", That's in terms of getting the law passed. Some states are heading in the right direction of getting the law passed, others are heading in the Wrong direction in terms of getting it passed.
PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 8:49 pm


Winter Amastacia
Personally I don't see any real discussion here. I think both conservatives and liberals and all those in-between will agree that ***** should be punished brutally.
I for one definitely think that they should be put in for 25 years or more. Though, I agree with dartalian that the law should definitely be specific to as to who it prosecutes. I do not know the specifics about the law, i'll have to look it up later.

You'd be surprised at some people's opinion on this...
It's sometimes really sad sweatdrop

blue_odessy


agrab0ekim

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:46 pm


Omnileech
agrab0ekim
Quote:
Studies indicate that approximately 5 % of treated sex offenders re-offend in a sexual way. Untreated sex offenders re-offend approximately 7% in a sexual way. Approximately 8% re-offend in a non-sexual, non-violent way and 3% re-offend in a non-sexual, violent way, and approximately 77% have no new offenses at all



this is from a county sheiriffs site... shows that laws like these are not only ineffective, but unconstitutional

http://www.sheriff.co.stark.oh.us/pr01-questions.htm#q3


77% have no new offenses that the police know about anyways. Sexual abuse is the most unreported crime.


you can not use assumptions to punish someone... you can only use evidence
PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:27 pm


agrab0ekim
Omnileech
agrab0ekim
Quote:
Studies indicate that approximately 5 % of treated sex offenders re-offend in a sexual way. Untreated sex offenders re-offend approximately 7% in a sexual way. Approximately 8% re-offend in a non-sexual, non-violent way and 3% re-offend in a non-sexual, violent way, and approximately 77% have no new offenses at all



this is from a county sheiriffs site... shows that laws like these are not only ineffective, but unconstitutional

http://www.sheriff.co.stark.oh.us/pr01-questions.htm#q3


77% have no new offenses that the police know about anyways. Sexual abuse is the most unreported crime.


you can not use assumptions to punish someone... you can only use evidence


I never said that people should be punished for assumptions. I said that the statistics are not accurate representations of the truth because there are more offenses than what are reported due to the nature of the crime.

Omnileech

Omnipresent Warlord


agrab0ekim

PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:09 pm


Omnileech
agrab0ekim
Omnileech
agrab0ekim
Quote:
Studies indicate that approximately 5 % of treated sex offenders re-offend in a sexual way. Untreated sex offenders re-offend approximately 7% in a sexual way. Approximately 8% re-offend in a non-sexual, non-violent way and 3% re-offend in a non-sexual, violent way, and approximately 77% have no new offenses at all



this is from a county sheiriffs site... shows that laws like these are not only ineffective, but unconstitutional

http://www.sheriff.co.stark.oh.us/pr01-questions.htm#q3


77% have no new offenses that the police know about anyways. Sexual abuse is the most unreported crime.


you can not use assumptions to punish someone... you can only use evidence


I never said that people should be punished for assumptions. I said that the statistics are not accurate representations of the truth because there are more offenses than what are reported due to the nature of the crime.


however, the question is, how many of those cases are also like a girls parents reporting when the girl is 16 and the guy is 18?
PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:17 pm


blue_odessy
Winter Amastacia
Personally I don't see any real discussion here. I think both conservatives and liberals and all those in-between will agree that ***** should be punished brutally.
I for one definitely think that they should be put in for 25 years or more. Though, I agree with dartalian that the law should definitely be specific to as to who it prosecutes. I do not know the specifics about the law, i'll have to look it up later.

You'd be surprised at some people's opinion on this...
It's sometimes really sad sweatdrop
so it's sad that I think we shouldn't blanket punish and then execute all servarities of sexual crimes? We should just punish the peeping tom the same as the serial rapist/murderer?

liz_bliz_inc


agrab0ekim

PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 6:27 am


liz_bliz
blue_odessy
Winter Amastacia
Personally I don't see any real discussion here. I think both conservatives and liberals and all those in-between will agree that ***** should be punished brutally.
I for one definitely think that they should be put in for 25 years or more. Though, I agree with dartalian that the law should definitely be specific to as to who it prosecutes. I do not know the specifics about the law, i'll have to look it up later.

You'd be surprised at some people's opinion on this...
It's sometimes really sad sweatdrop
so it's sad that I think we shouldn't blanket punish and then execute all servarities of sexual crimes? We should just punish the peeping tom the same as the serial rapist/murderer?


that is why we have this thing called the 14th amendment... to keep us from doing that...

do you think that someone who steals a car and someone who steals a slice of bread deserve the same punishment?
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