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i do not think that anarchy could work on any level... we always need leaders, elected or not... and a leader is against it

Do either of you have any evidence to back those statements up? I mean, hunter gatherer civilizations lived well, and for longer than statist societies. Granted, technology was more limited then, but who's to say we can't do that now?

Anarchy doesn't necessarily mean chaos. People could still live together without a state. They get more responsibility and more freedom. All the things teens want to do because they're illegal won't be around anymore. If someone wants to do something, like smoke marajuana, they can. If they don't like it, they don't have to smoke it again. If they do, they can continue doing it. If people want guns to protect themselves, then they can get that. If everyone has a gun, why would anyone want to attack another? If guns give people a competitive edge, why not take that away eh? Many societies that have mandatorial military service (e.g. Switzerland) have almost everyone over 17 owning a gun, and they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

Granted it could be rough sailing to begin with, but I don't think it's as concretely implausable as you make it seem.

rofl No, you silly boy! When a government is set up, it's no longer an... Oh.

Except, you know, they did. There was no governing force with them. They worked together for the rest of the group without anyone dictating them on what to do and how to do it. They lived for themselves.

As in, the people you dismiss as freshman or ignorant people. You'd be suprised how large the Anarchist movement really is. Now I'll admit, not all of their hearts are in it, but what system does have people with all their hearts in the fight? Check out GULAG and maybe you'll see that Anarchists actually can articulate their ideals well. Think what you will, but attacks like that are throwaway lines. Back it up sometime, thanks.

Can you prove it? How do you know that people can't cooperate? Does everything really need to be under oppression in order to function? I highly doubt it.

Many teens do illegal things for that exact reason. They like the thrill of doing something illegal. If you take that away from them, some of them would lose the want/need to try those illegal activities.

But it takes a lot longer, and has to go through a huge political process in which most of the time nothing gets done. Why not just let people have their opportunity there for them?

Yes I am. Usual reasons meaning? You know, being vague never got anyone anywhere.

I'm proposing opportunity for all, without oppression. If everyone wants guns, they can have them. If people want to try and go on killing rampages, chances are they won't be able to get as far as they can in the current system, because people will be able to defend themselves.
Anarcho-Capitalism and Law
Simple Example of Law in Anarchy
I hope that helps your understanding of how law works, at least in Anarcho-Capitalism.

And why is that good sir?

Again, you're missing the point. People don't need the governing body in order to live. You need to at least grasp that subject before you can reply here, or I'm talking to a brick wall, and this debate'll die.

ok... first off, kids automatically treat their parentals as a sovergn until they learn to think...

also... there must be human nature... without it, how could we adapt... human nature involves adaptation...
human nature is instinct

GULAG=Gaias United League of Anarchists Guild. It's linked up in my signature. They also have links to Anarchist forums and readings if you want to see other points of view. Mine's pretty skewed compared to others because I look at the Anarcho-Capitalist point of view. I'm trying my best to remain in the mainstream Anarchy in this debate, but going there might help a bit get other points of view. Also, there is the ED-P Guide to Anarchy, which is linked up in the guild which is a nice little summary of it. If that doesn't work, wikipedia helps.

Until they learn to think. Exactly. They can't think for themselves, so they need something to guide them. What do governments do? They do our thinking for us and guide us.

Well, if people start off in a grey area, they'll have to do something to fit into the society, or else they'll just be blobs of wasted mass. When people adapt into a new system (or have it beaten into them which is started around age 5 or 6 in the US) then what'll they do with their kids? Since they've been brainwashed into the society, they'll force it down their kids and so on. In Anarchy, they have the freedom to do what they want and make their own choices.

I'm interested in both political philosophies, simple enough.

And if you kill me in an anarchist society, so it goes. I've learned not to fear death, so why should I worry? Death is inevitable anyway, you'd just speed up the process. If it was necessary in the society for me to die, so be it.

Hopefully however, there would be a reprocussion to it. I'm not quite sure you're grasping the ideals of law enforcement and security in anarchy.