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ringwraith10
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:59 am


Okay, one of the confusing things about the Belgariad series is Polgara's role. Is she really considered a disciple? My answer is yes, definitely. There is a little murkyness surrounding this conclusion, however. In Polgara the Sorceress, there is a part that clearly defines when and where she becomes a disciple. She accepts her tasks from Aldur and calls him her master. This should be enough information. When she is asked why she doesn't have her own tower, she responds that she just never got around to it and she spent her time in her father's tower. But when Durnik becomes a disciple, Belgarath and Beldin seem to be treating Polgara as though she's just... Durnik's wife. Not another disciple. They're talking about how Durnik needs his own tower so he can study and stuff like that. Hmmm. That's where it seems to get confusing, but maybe Belgarath and Beldin are just really sexist. It's very possible. Anyway, I've been pondering this, and I was just wondering what you guys thought about it.

Later we can get into a discussion about Garion's discipleship. razz
PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:32 pm


Yes, Polgara is a disciple, she is the only female disciple, but she is one. When Garion and Belgarath were in Belgarath's tower Belgarath said as much, indicating the prefix Pol being the feminine equivlent of the Bel proceeding his name. Also, Aldur always refered to Belgarath and the other male disciples as his sons, and he always refered to Polgara as his daughter.

Seira Phim


sallybeth

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:33 pm


I reckon that Polgara is a disciple but the others struggle to see her as a disciple because she's a woman, and they aren't sure where she stands because of that.

The person I get confused about is Poledra she appears to be a disciple to Aldur and UL @.@ it confuzzles me.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:50 pm


Okay--Polgara is SO a disciple! Remember how in one of those fancy-language prologues, it talks about how when Belgarath touched Pol's hair and it turned white, HE WAS DISTURBED BECAUSE IT WAS THE SIGN OF A DISCIPLE OF Aldur???!??!? Plus, all the spellcasters in the books, with the exception of Vordai, were oriented with a god or a religion. Since Aldur had no religion, all of his spellcasters, the sorcerers, were by definition his disciples.

- friend of MMB

MMBgrace


ringwraith10
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:38 pm


MMBgrace
Okay--Polgara is SO a disciple! Remember how in one of those fancy-language prologues, it talks about how when Belgarath touched Pol's hair and it turned white, HE WAS DISTURBED BECAUSE IT WAS THE SIGN OF A DISCIPLE OF Aldur???!??!? Plus, all the spellcasters in the books, with the exception of Vordai, were oriented with a god or a religion. Since Aldur had no religion, all of his spellcasters, the sorcerers, were by definition his disciples.

- friend of MMB
eek Did you read the first post? There's no need to shout -- we all agree with you. The whole point is determining how the OTHER disciples see her...
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:39 pm


sallybeth
I reckon that Polgara is a disciple but the others struggle to see her as a disciple because she's a woman, and they aren't sure where she stands because of that.

The person I get confused about is Poledra she appears to be a disciple to Aldur and UL @.@ it confuzzles me.
Since UL is sort of the supreme god, I suppose it makes sense. It's like... if you're at work and your boss's boss tells you to do something... and you do it. UL is Aldur's boss, and Aldur is Poledra's boss. Does that make sense to you?

ringwraith10
Crew


sallybeth

PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:19 pm


ringwraith10
sallybeth
I reckon that Polgara is a disciple but the others struggle to see her as a disciple because she's a woman, and they aren't sure where she stands because of that.

The person I get confused about is Poledra she appears to be a disciple to Aldur and UL @.@ it confuzzles me.
Since UL is sort of the supreme god, I suppose it makes sense. It's like... if you're at work and your boss's boss tells you to do something... and you do it. UL is Aldur's boss, and Aldur is Poledra's boss. Does that make sense to you?


rofl that's a very good way of putting it, thanks, i think i get it now
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:31 am


I think that because the other disciples have all been men, they aren't used to it when Polgara is, and they treat her differently to the male disciples, but they still treat as though she is one of them and like family, Beltira and Belkira in particular. Beldin and Belgarath are old men, who aren't used to women having power, hence they get kind of creeped out by it, also they brought her up, so its harder to see her just as another disciple and not their daughter/neice

dark priestess


lilybee
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:49 am


MMBgrace
Okay--Polgara is SO a disciple! Remember how in one of those fancy-language prologues, it talks about how when Belgarath touched Pol's hair and it turned white, HE WAS DISTURBED BECAUSE IT WAS THE SIGN OF A DISCIPLE OF Aldur???!??!? Plus, all the spellcasters in the books, with the exception of Vordai, were oriented with a god or a religion. Since Aldur had no religion, all of his spellcasters, the sorcerers, were by definition his disciples.

- friend of MMB


You can't really go off what the prologue says, seeing as how they're excerpts for The Book of Alorn and the Book of Torak and things like that. He wrote things wrong in the prologues deliberately to show how history books sometime exaggerate things to make them more interesting. Remember it also said that Belgarath turned into a fox when he told Riva how to make the sword? It also said that everyone in history talked in verse.

Belgarath was disturbed because when he touch Polgara she sucked as much power as she could from him and he felt it. That's not to say that he didn't recognize her as a disciple. I'm saying you can't always get the facts from the prologues.

And the last is not particularly true. Durnik was a sorcerer for a while before Aldur made him a disciple. And remember the clubfoot in the Mallorean who came upon sorcery by accident? He wasn't anyone's disciple.

But I do think Pol was a disciple, most especially since she called Aldur master all of the time.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:38 am


It looks like Polgara gave up her discipleship to marry Durnik and raise Errand/Eriond. She was a disciple until her marriage. I think. She was a disciple of Aldur as a child/adult, and maybe the twins and Beldin still treat her as a child because they raised her? It's confusing for Belgarath-as a disciple she's his sister, but as you know, he's her father.

I'm now really confused by my own explanation.

Queenie42


lilybee
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:01 pm


I don't think marrying Durnik would've revoked her discipleship (is that even a word?). Especially after Durnik became a disciple himself.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:04 pm


Seira_Phim
Yes, Polgara is a disciple, she is the only female disciple, but she is one. When Garion and Belgarath were in Belgarath's tower Belgarath said as much, indicating the prefix Pol being the feminine equivlent of the Bel proceeding his name. Also, Aldur always refered to Belgarath and the other male disciples as his sons, and he always refered to Polgara as his daughter.
Poledra, Polgara's mother, is also a disciple. I think there was one other mentioned, but never met, that died, but that could have been a guy.

Glenlyon


dark priestess

PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:02 am


Glenlyon
Seira_Phim
Yes, Polgara is a disciple, she is the only female disciple, but she is one. When Garion and Belgarath were in Belgarath's tower Belgarath said as much, indicating the prefix Pol being the feminine equivlent of the Bel proceeding his name. Also, Aldur always refered to Belgarath and the other male disciples as his sons, and he always refered to Polgara as his daughter.
Poledra, Polgara's mother, is also a disciple. I think there was one other mentioned, but never met, that died, but that could have been a guy.


By the one who died do you mean Belmakor or Belsambar? They were both disciples who destroyed themselves. And of course there was Belzedar
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:17 pm


In Belgarath the Sorcerer Aldur refers to Belgarath and the other disciples as sons, he also calls Polgara daughter. This causes the twins to refer to her as sister at least for a short time, therefore we could conclude that at least Aldur and the twins recognize her as a disciple.

Etyrnity


X_nedra

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:34 am


When Belgarath touched Polgara's hair it turned white as the mark of a sorceress not a disciple. She was a disciple simply becuase she was born from two disciples and raised by disciples, and that is why she was named Polgara. The prefix Pol is reserved for female disciples of Aldur and Bel is for male disciples. That's why Garion changed to Belgarion.

Polgara never got a tower because she never wanted or needed one. Belgarath's tower will always be open to her because she's his daughter, and there is plenty of room in his or any other one of the towers for her. Plus the fact that her mother's cottage is so nearby, and not only that but Polgara is also the duchess of Erat, and has a mansion there. And now that I think about it, she also has her own apartments in the fortress at Riva. So it was all up to her, she just didn't bother.

The men just assumed that since Dunrik signed on as a disciple like they did, he would want his own tower like they did. And it's not his style to simply move into Polgara's mansion in Erat, he wouldn't know what to do with himself.
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