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Scott Ritter

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:47 am


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International Pluralist Party
Ok
so this is My political ideology
tell me what you think
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:19 am


Bizarre and hopelessly idealistic progressive movement full of flaws.

Omnileech

Omnipresent Warlord


Scott Ritter

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:25 pm


ok
do you want to expound on that
I am looking for criticism so that i can improve it
so please tell me whats wrong with it
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:31 am


Oh I don't know? The fact that's a racist and bigoted group that's opposed to multi-culturalism? The fact you slam Africa for being lost to barbarism?

The fact you call everything else inferior without defining why?

The fact you degrade the value of human worth and think that everyone should act the same way despite having different interests?

The fact you put individual rights and liberties below the state?

The fact you call yourself moral without knowing why? I'd say discriminating against people to insure you're one cultrue is pretty damned immoral.

The fact you have no idea what evolution really means?

The fact that you'd be willing to punish people severely for just having ideas?

The fact you are hypocritical in wanting people to avoid blind leadership while calling for it yourself?

The fact you deny your system has any flaws and that any problems must be because of inferior people! How arrogant.

The fact that ends justify the means to you?

The fact you want eugenics even though it has been proven time and time again it doesn't work in humans?

There's already something for this. It's called fascism. All you're doing is giving fascism a different name and trying to pass it off as viable. You even have that whole "there is no race better than another but we want to seperate the races" thing.

Truely pathetic, unworkable, flawed and corrupt.

Omnileech

Omnipresent Warlord


Scott Ritter

PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:50 pm


"The fact you call yourself moral without knowing why? I'd say discriminating against people to insure you're one cultrue is pretty damned immoral."


I never said that we separate races I said that we recognize the various differences and their value

if you had read it properly you would realize that it is not racist
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"The fact you put individual rights and liberties below the state?"

Yes I think that the state takes priority
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"The fact you want eugenics even though it has been proven time and time again it doesn't work in humans?"

OK
The Eugenics thing is not well defined in the sections that you can read because we are working out how to implement it in the least invasive way we can come up with. But please tell me these "Time and Time again" are. As far as I am aware eugenics was only ever implemented (in a very perverse and improper manner i must say) in Nazi Germany. so that, lets see...once
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"Oh I don't know? The fact that's a racist and bigoted group that's opposed to multi-culturalism? The fact you slam Africa for being lost to barbarism?"

Honestly if you don't think that Africa is degenerating then you need to look at the history of Africa and look at its present situation
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"The fact you degrade the value of human worth and think that everyone should act the same way despite having different interests?"


The individual human value... let me think, I believe that i made the proper annotation in either the second or third point
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"The fact you are hypocritical in wanting people to avoid blind leadership while calling for it yourself?"


Blind leadership,
did you read everything that that link takes you to? That is addressed and if you had read ALL of it you would have seen it
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we do not discriminate against any culture we simply desire that they have and serve a purpose
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"The fact you have no idea what evolution really means?"


What do you think we think evolution is?
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"The fact that you'd be willing to punish people severely for just having ideas?"

Thats just false, I'm not sure where you pulled that from
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"The fact you call everything else inferior without defining why?"

Because other systems-
-support hedonism and selfish capitalism-
-work against human nature-
-are racist-
-support theocracy-
-support barbarism and anarchy-

Thats why
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"The fact you deny your system has any flaws and that any problems must be because of inferior people! How arrogant."

Almost all systems have no flaws except human flaws
hell anarchy would work if it weren't for the human flaw.
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"The fact that ends justify the means to you?"

So you think that a better and unified earth devoid of war doesn't justify the means
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well there you go I have adressed all your queries and all without calling you "arrogent"
"racist"
or "foolish".


EDIT: Whoops almost forgot that you called it fascism
well really its more like National Bolshevism than fascism
fascism is far less collective and socialistic
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:22 am


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I never said that we separate races I said that we recognize the various differences and their value

if you had read it properly you would realize that it is not racist


Liar. Typical white supremacist argument too. "All races and culture are equal but they should be seperated."


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Africa has been lost to barbarism and now multiculturalism and demographic factors threaten the European and North American civilization.


That's perfectly racist. Minorities are not a threat. I've heard this line countless time and it's never held water even once.

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Yes I think that the state takes priority


Which is why it's fascism. In fascism all else is subservient to the state.

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The Eugenics thing is not well defined in the sections that you can read because we are working out how to implement it in the least invasive way we can come up with. But please tell me these "Time and Time again" are. As far as I am aware eugenics was only ever implemented (in a very perverse and improper manner i must say) in Nazi Germany. so that, lets see...once


Eugenics in Germany? Forcing minorities to get abortions? Killing of the handicapped? Or in the US we'd administer IQ tests and then sterilize people or use it as justification that their races were mongrels. Eugenics as a movement originated in the US and it was also disproven here too.

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Honestly if you don't think that Africa is degenerating then you need to look at the history of Africa and look at its present situation


And why is that? It's not from multiculturalism. It's from a long history of exploitation and slavery.

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The individual human value... let me think, I believe that i made the proper annotation in either the second or third point


Yes a recycled point from the 20s. One followed by numerous countries that all are no longer fascist.

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Blind leadership,
did you read everything that that link takes you to? That is addressed and if you had read ALL of it you would have seen it


Yeah, it's all optimistic bs that has won't work in real life. Blind obedience to the state is still blind obedience.

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we do not discriminate against any culture we simply desire that they have and serve a purpose


Treating any culture differently is discrimination.

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What do you think we think evolution is?



Certainly nothing scientific.

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Thats just false, I'm not sure where you pulled that from


If your ideas are opposed to the state such as wanting a democratic republic then bam you're taken care of. If you have an idea deemed racist then jail time for just thinking.

I'm sure your state wouldn't be nice to dissidents either.

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Because other systems-
-support hedonism and selfish capitalism-
-work against human nature-
-are racist-
-support theocracy-
-support barbarism and anarchy-



I'd prefer my civil liberties and rights over your nightmarish state any day. Parading flawed ideas as scientific, violently overthrowing governments to get power, keeping the common man down, eliminating the right to free speech. Some people like having a religion.

Human nature is selfish. Human nature is barbaric. You're working against human nature by demanding everyone conform to your ideas in some idealistic crapfest of a state that wouldn't work even if established because the people calling the shots are also human and they would be the elites and power does corrupt.

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Almost all systems have no flaws except human flaws
hell anarchy would work if it weren't for the human flaw.


Your flaws are inherent in your system. At least communism looks good on paper. Your state doesn't even accomplish that.Fascism sucks plain and simple and those states never last long.

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So you think that a better and unified earth devoid of war doesn't justify the means


A world united by Big Brother and subjugation is worse than one with wars present.

It's still fascist. By trying to label it as something else that is alomost just like fascism is silly. Besides, an all powerful state is the defining feature of fascism. But even if you are right it'd be stalinist which is no better.

You're too young to know the history that directly contradicts much of what you say. Heck, you're still in high school.

Quasi-scientific reasoning doesn't fly.

Omnileech

Omnipresent Warlord


Crimson-Vega

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:22 pm


Damn Omnileech! You didn't leave much for me to say! I agree with Omnileech completely.

I think it's rather amusing that while you're explaining what pluralism is you have to put that it's not racism in caps, which means that it's not apparent that it's not and that it can be taken as racism reasonably.

"17. There is no wrong way to attain power; the most effective way is best."
... please allow me to say ummmmm what??!! Please explain to me how this is a good idea. Let me tell you something, it's not. A.) Power corrupts B.) Power leads to war C.) The most effective way is best?? You sound like you're promoting an academy teaching assassination.

You keep talking about how people and the human race is imperfect, which is true and your plan would do nothing but to promote this factor. This is not a plan to strive for a higher degree of perfection.

As previously stated, this plan is fascist. In some ways it reminds of the government in V for Vendetta!
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